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Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:37 pm

Then Jim might not have included them in his uploads, but he will be posting here soon I assume to answer your question.

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:51 pm

great
will be making even more use of KS now that omnisphere 2.0 has sample importing

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:08 pm

Omni 2 release will be April 30th, no? So there is still some time left

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:42 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:Omni 2 release will be April 30th, no? So there is still some time left

it's going to be a long few months
granulating KS content inside omni 2 is going be surreal beyond measure

lnikj · Post by **lnikj** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:46 pm

jackmazzotti wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Omni 2 release will be April 30th, no? So there is still some time left
it's going to be a long few months
granulating KS content inside omni 2 is going be surreal beyond measure

There are one or two other granulators, in the meantime

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:52 pm

lnikj wrote:
There are one or two other granulators, in the meantime

Or more, try HALion 5, Padshop Pro, MachFive 3, crusherX, Melda MBandGranular, The Mangle, these are all excellent sounding grain machines. I can't jump on the Omni hype until I've heard it myself, reading something means nothing these days it seems.

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:43 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
lnikj wrote:
There are one or two other granulators, in the meantime
Or more, try HALion 5, Padshop Pro, MachFive 3, crusherX, Melda MBandGranular, The Mangle, these are all excellent sounding grain machines. I can't jump on the Omni hype until I've heard it myself, reading something means nothing these days it seems.

Well I'm a patch designer for them and all I can say omni is amazing and 2.0 looks like it's going to blow the lid off.

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:44 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
lnikj wrote:
There are one or two other granulators, in the meantime
Or more, try HALion 5, Padshop Pro, MachFive 3, crusherX, Melda MBandGranular, The Mangle, these are all excellent sounding grain machines. I can't jump on the Omni hype until I've heard it myself, reading something means nothing these days it seems.

yeah all the melda plugins are awesome

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:03 am

jackmazzotti wrote: Well I'm a patch designer for them and all I can say omni is amazing and 2.0 looks like it's going to blow the lid off.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhht, your NDA

Phorous · Post by **Phorous** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:30 am

I think my issue with Bitwig was triggered when I tried to change the buffer size which caused a recurring problem with the audio engine to trigger.

I just loaded up the K in Bitwig with no issues

Man, this thing + Omnisphere 2 is going to be sonic heaven

EDIT:

Having some intermittent wierd crackling issues that seem to stay until I change a parameter. I don't have oversampling on either.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:04 am

Had a few moments to play around with Kaleidoscope... sounds great but if I want to keep my latency at any reasonable level (I'm a guitar player and anything more than 128 samples is noticeable) I had to cut the resonators down to 64 max. Still sounded good, but anything more and I'd get a lot of clicks and pops. (Running Live 9 with a Dell i7 quadcore running at 2.5 mhz and a Prosonus 16.0.2 firewire interface)

I've got kind of mixed feelings about tools like this... in one sense, it's amazing. Instant ambient album, just load up a weird image. On the other hand... instant ambient album... kind of takes the fun out of it as I usually like to perform each part live. Of course, this is just a first impression, I'll find out if it can be "played" more tomorrow, but still, quite a cool little plug in.

Naenyn · Post by **Naenyn** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:12 am

Kaleidoscope sure makes some beautiful sounds... but on my MBP in Logic Pro X 10.1, it is a CPU destroyer. I notice too when I bring up Logic's built-in CPU meter that only one of my cores is taking a hit. Changing the multithreading setting in the plugin doesn't seem to make a difference. Only the buffer size does. Depending on settings, I get terrible noise/crackle.

On a side note.. some presets seem to produce sound regardless of the presence of input coming in to the plugin. Is that the way it should be?

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:28 am

Re instant ambient album, algo comp etc. Vs human beings I don't see it as an "us vs them" kinda thing. I'm a pianist:

https://m.soundcloud.com/andrew_souter/ ... utum-rains

I love being a "real musician" and composing and performing very human music. I did two solo piano albums this past year explicitly for this purpose and I used as little technology as possible. (The piano is actually Ivory 2 American D. So I quess this still is technology. But the point is I intentionally avoided excessive studio tricks and sound-design so that I could focus only on the music. )

KS is not meant to replace musicians or musicianship or live performance. It's designed to augment and enhance it. Its algo-Comp related uses/capacities are designed to create environments that inspire us to write new melodies and chord progressions that are different than those that are idiosyncratic to our own listening experience and muscle memory. I bet not to many of us are music theory gurus and fewer still know various non western scales and modes for example. KS can create environments in which the soloist or composer is encouraged to step outside of his or her comfort zone and explore new tonalities. In fact such things can ultimately improve a musician's performance skill BC he/she is encouraged to try new things that with enough practice become part of their performance vocabulary.

Ks is also designed to create undefined things that straddle the gap between music and sound-design and do NOT obey any sort of human rules. If you are a composer for film who is tasked to convey the awe of space for example, why should your tonal and timing structures follow normal musical rules. Nature/space/the-universe is bigger than 12-tone equal temperment and the minor/major subset thereof and 16th note divisions of 4/4. Sometimes we need to try to explicitly try to communicate non or extra human things for narrative purposes.

And if we are talking non musical sound-design such as for single-hit fx creation then their are no rules whatsoever and no connection to human musical performance tradition.

And don't forget Ks is also an fx processor too for delays, grain verb, fir, etc too.

Any time tools come along that makes things easy to produce great results quickly, and we worry humans are obsolete, there always follows a human who uses said tools in novel ways to rise above the rest and show true artisan craftsmanship. So don't worry: yes Ks makes it very easy to make ambient albums. There will still be artists who invest the time to push the tool to new levels and go farther than the rest.

And that completes my taxi cab pontification for the evening.

Now arriving at my hotel at NAMM. Time for some sleep.

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:34 am

Double

arachnaut · Post by **arachnaut** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:38 am

jackmazzotti wrote:Where are those Jim Hurley fractal presets? Can't find them.

The fractal demos were made using Fractal Tune Smithy to generate the fractal MIDI sequences. The synths were Serum and Bazille. I don't remember the KS presets.

I do have notes about how I made most of the demos:

Auralis Uncollidoscoped: My Reaktor ensemble 'Auralis Modded' was used for the sound.
Rambling Notes was made with the preset 'Rambling Notes' in Kaleidoscope followed by 'Laser Guided' in Aether. The Kaleidoscope presets used these images: Honey2 and Liquefaction
Sulphurated Molasses was made with the preset: "Sulphurated Molasses" using these images: Cees.png and Duodeca1.png
Chime-time: Reaktor Spiral (patch: Swinging EPs) -> Reaktor Kontour (patch: Metallic - Cupola) -> Kaleidoscope (patch: Chime-time) -> Breeze (patch: Larji Tunnel)
The Chime-time Kaleidoscope patch uses this image: arachnaut-test.png
Spread-Spectrum was made with the Spread-Spectrum preset using these images: Liquefaction and Rand.
Jabberwockey was made by driving Reaktor Monark with Reaktor Spiral and feeding that in Kaleidoscope preset 'Jabberwockey'. Kaleidoscope 'Jabberwockey' uses images: Liquefaction.
Bouncing Rubber Balls was made thusly:
Reaktor Spiral -> u-he Bazille (patch ARK Filthy Boy) -> Kaleidoscope (patch Bouncing Rubber Balls) -> Breeze (patch Follow Me).
Automatic-Sequence-01: Reaktor Automato (patch: Sounds like Subotnick) -> Serum (patch: FX Shotgun [FN]) -> Kaleidoscope (patch: Factory Rhythmic Melody Algebraic Order) -> Breeze (patch: Follow Me)
Halloween trolling was made with preset "Cees and Desist2.2ca" which uses two images: Cease.png and Crumbs.png
Primitive-Particle-Rhythms---and-other-typographical-anomalies: Reaktor Spiral (patch: Feed the Spiral 4) -> Serum (patch: BA Deep Sync BS) -> Kaleidoscope (patch: Factory Rhythmic Filter Beat Box 01) -> Breeze (patch: Shape Shifter)
Primal pulse was made from a slightly modified factory patch: Primal Poly Pulse 5
Reaktor Spiral -> Alchemy (Metallurgy patch Vibraphone Bowed) -> Kaleidoscope (patch Primal Poly Pulse 5a) -> B2 (patch Fuzzy Rez)
Formation Effect: Reaktor AutoDrummer (patch: What Would Cage Do?) -> Kaleidoscope (patch: Formation Effect mod) -> B2 (patch: Granular Clusters)
Squirmy Creature: Fractal Tune Smithy (patch: jazzy fibonacci tonescape)-> Kontakt (patch: Skiddaw Stones) -> Kaleidoscope (patch: Squirmy Creature) -> B2 (patch: The Duality is Here)
All factory patches.
Hacking Twitter accounts:
Reaktor Spiral (patch: Junkyard Beats 1) -> Serum (patch: PL Crusty Pluck [LCV]) -> Kaleidoscope (patch: Hacking Twitter) -> Breeze (patch: FX Distant Thunder)
Robo-bop:
Spiral (patch: In the Doldrums 4) -> Monark (patch: Auto Me) -> Kaleidoscope (patch: Robo-bop) -> Breeze (patch: Spacetime Boundary)

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