Waldorf Music at NAMM 2015: Nave for PC/Mac, Waldorf Edition 2, Attack for iOS, nw1 Eurorack module

[Ingonator]

Attack for iPad looks amazing! I don't have iPad (and I don't have a plan to have it in the future). But it is like I saw Attack for iPad more advanced than the one for PC/Mac? I think there is a market for Advanced Attack in the VST/AU world, so I hope there is a plan for it in the future.

So?!
Will the Attack version for PC/Mac be the same one as in the iPad version? Or will keep the same old one but with new skin?

Thank you Ingo for the direct answer. Excellent manners

I guess i already mentioned this rearlier but Attack for PC/Mac besides the new GUI will include new Effects and also advanced samples support.
I did not tset the iPad version and also do not own an ipAd but the iOS version indeed seems to be slightly different while as alraedy mentioned the built-in pattern editor seems to be more important with the iPad version than with the plugin. This does not mean i would not like to have a built-in pattern editor with the plugin at all...
Already with the previous version of Attack i used the "Beta Designer" MIDI plugin in Cubase as sometimes i am too lazy to just use the piano roll...
Anyway for certain uses the piano roll seems to be more versatile than using a pattern editor.


Besides that like already mentioned with the plugin (old and new version) there is an option to use Attack as a "normal" synth, at least for instruments 13-24. at the upper part of teh keyboard you could play instruents polyphonic and/or with a bigger key range. With one instance it is possible to play the drums and a synth in the upper part (or multiple parts when using multiple midi tracks with different channels) at the same time.
Not sure how far this works properly using the iPad version but it seems to be possible there too (while a connected MIDI controller could be necesary).
The new Samples implementation and new FXs could be quite useful for playing such synth sounds with the new Attack plugin.

While i do not own an iPad yet i could imagine that the new Attack iOS app could be a nice replacement for a hardware drum machine, also as you could play the instruments "live" with the additional multitouch pads.

[Ingonator]

This is a video from NAMM 2015 showing Stefan Stenzel from Waldorf Music demonstrating the new nw1 wavetable Eurorack module (in combination with a few Doepfer modules):

[EnGee]

I guess i already mentioned this rearlier but Attack for PC/Mac besides the new GUI will include new Effects and also advanced samples support.
I did not tset the iPad version and also do not own an ipAd but the iOS version indeed seems to be slightly different while as alraedy mentioned the built-in pattern editor seems to be more important with the iPad version than with the plugin. This does not mean i would not like to have a built-in pattern editor with the plugin at all...
Already with the previous version of Attack i used the "Beta Designer" MIDI plugin in Cubase as sometimes i am too lazy to just use the piano roll...
Anyway for certain uses the piano roll seems to be more versatile than using a pattern editor.


Besides that like already mentioned with the plugin (old and new version) there is an option to use Attack as a "normal" synth, at least for instruments 13-24. at the upper part of teh keyboard you could play instruents polyphonic and/or with a bigger key range. With one instance it is possible to play the drums and a synth in the upper part (or multiple parts when using multiple midi tracks with different channels) at the same time.
Not sure how far this works properly using the iPad version but it seems to be possible there too (while a connected MIDI controller could be necesary).
The new Samples implementation and new FXs could be quite useful for playing such synth sounds with the new Attack plugin.

While i do not own an iPad yet i could imagine that the new Attack iOS app could be a nice replacement for a hardware drum machine, also as you could play the instruments "live" with the additional multitouch pads.



As i always liked how Attack sounds (including the older versions of the plugin) i would like to see a new Attack hardware but this time with a dedicated interface (24 pads, display etc.). Actually with controls for all features this could be quite big and also expensive then. Not sure if this will ever happen or how far it would be possible to use a cheaper matrix editor for the controls like in e.g. Pulse 2 and Blofeld (which for the Pulse 2 i still prefer over using a software editor while i have one of those editors...).

Thank you for the detailed answer. I'm very interested to see and have Waldorf products in general and in spite of me having Attack le edition somewhere but I look for the full version
We will see then soon what will be released.

[Ingonator]

In this discussion from MusoTalk.TV (all in german) also Rolf Wöhrmann from TempRubato is involved. He is the developer of the new Nave plugin versions (and also the iOS version):

http://www.musotalk.de/video/namm-show- ... -top-news/



Rolf mentiones that the plugin could theoretically include tons of new features but he wants to reduce this to a limited amount as patches should stay compatible with the iPad version. He mentions that you could import iPad banks/patches into the plugin. The browser contains an import feature for that.

Rolf mentioned that he hopes the Nave plugin will be finished until Musikmesse 2015 but he does not promise that.


Based on that video on the upcoming Monday there seems to be a new video where Rolf shows the current version of the new Nave plugin version.


Rolf Wöhrmann sometimes also posts some details about the Nave plugin development at his Twitter account:
https://twitter.com/nlogmusic

[MillerSam]

Great

[Ingonator]

Another presentation of the nw1 Eurorack module. Ths time by Frederic Meslin, one of the developers of Waldorf (AFAIK Frederic is mostly involved with hardware developement including firmware). This video is for Audiofanzine and done in french (Frederic originally is from France):





OK, here Frederic is again in english language:

[MorpherX]

I want to suggest for Attack simple sample import with only sample start potie and sample reverse switch, if not already planed.

[Ingonator]

Another nw1 Eurorack module video:


In this Frederic explains that you could connect a sound source and sample that to create a new wavetable.
He also mentions that at a later stage maybe there will be a conversion software to load wavetables from the Nave plugin (or iPad version).

Ther also seems to be an editor software and wavetables recorded into the nw1 could be saved on the computer then.

The text to speech feature also seems to work from the editor. You send text from the editor which then will be converted to a wavetable. This is also comparable to Nave where you just type in some text in the "Talk" feature of the wavetable editor and then a wavetable will be created.

Overall the features of the nw1 module seem to be close to those in Nave and the names of both seem to have the same origin: Nave = New Wave and nw1 = new wave 1

[Ingonator]

This website includes screenshots of the new Attack for iOS:
http://main.iosmars.com/2015/01/20/wald ... os-attack/

Waldorf also seems to have a download for pictures of iOS Attack at their website:
http://www.waldorf-music.info/ipad-attack-downloads

The screenshots at the website mentioned above seems to be based on those screenshots in the download.

[EvilDragon]

It looks so much better than the VST version...

[Ingonator]

As already announced Musotalk.tv just published a Preview video of the Nave plugin Beta where Rolf Wöhrmann explains features of the upcoming plugin (this is in german ; length of the video around 32 minutes):

https://twitter.com/nlogmusic/status/559661377342955520




Around 12:10 in the video the wavetable editor is shown wher you could edit partials in two dimensions (partials number + waveform number). The "Amount" fader/slider edits the 3rd dimension depending on the edit mode (e.g. "Level" of the partials).
FWIW i already asked for a few additional editing features. Let's see...
An exported custom wavetable should be compatible with the Plugin and iPad version and later also with teh nw1 Eurorack module.

In the video Rolf explains that the GUI in the final version should be resizable but this is not implemented yet in the current Beta.

In this video Rolf also mentions that the 24dB LPF is a Moog type and the 12db LPF a Oberheim type filter. This is also new for me.

Rolf also mentions that the CPU use is very low (i could confirm this) which also comes from the fact that the original synth was done for the iPad.

The plugin formats of the final version (like with the recent Waldorf updates for the older plugins) should include eveyrthing including 64-bit/32-bit, VST2, VST3, AU and AAX.

The Windows/OSX plugin includes al 500 patches of the iPAd version and as Rolf mentioned during the Beta maybe a few 100 new patches could be added.

The Spectrum control for the wavetable osc sections (also mentioned in the video around 11:00) could change the harmonic content of the existing wavetable quite dramatically so from a single wavetable or just from a single waveform in the table you could get a bunch of differnt sounds/timbres. That feature also seems to be included with the new nw1 Eurorack module.

Like also mentioned in the video the Copy protection like with e.g. Largo and PPG Wave 3.V is by eLicenser (either USB dongle or soft eLicenser).

[MillerSam]

With the CPU I can also confirm It's very low for fact that is maybe a huge synthesis technology

[V0RT3X]

I just bought the Waldorf Edition using the NAMM special. I'll be looking forward to upgrading to Version 2 when it comes out too

[dreadnought]

For anyone currently using the Waldorf products, what's your experience been like with the eLicenser DRM thingie? That's what the new stuff will use, right? I really love Nave on my iPad, and have been looking forward to a PC version, but was hoping there would just be a serial number or challenge/response activation. Is eLicenser always running on your machine, even if you're not using any VSTs? Does it load automatically when you start the computer, or does it only load when you instantiate the synth? Once it loads, does it continue to use CPU cycles? Have you seen it interfere in any way, or is it pretty much transparent? I'm just so skeptical about that sort of DRM since I remember from the early days of Pace how awful it was and how it could really mess up your computer.

Thanks,
Dan

[Ingonator]

There were already tons of discussions about the eLicenser in the past and this time i'll not participate in those discussions. For the usal "haters" it does not seem to matter if it actually works nicely or not...