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Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:41 am

But the €->$ exchange rate is terrible anyway atm, 1:1 almost - just sayin. The price we pay for a deranged european money policy...

t3toooo · Post by **t3toooo** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:48 am

Hah,no matter who's telling me anything about a borked economy.

The Free Trade Agreement is coming, just the very simple way,lol.

Anyway,the price structure is hilarious, this should be corrected,Paypal should not be the instance (beside a dollar up or down which can be ignored imo) for me as the buyer to see what i need to pay.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:52 am

Galbanum wrote:Anyone have to score an Alfred Hitchcock film??

https://soundcloud.com/2caudio/ks-bates-hotel

Sounds like a stochastic string quartet by Iannis Xenakis.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:53 am

t3toooo wrote:
Anyway,the price structure is hilarious, this should be corrected,Paypal should not be the instance (beside a dollar up or down which can be ignored imo) for me as the buyer to see what i need to pay.

Well my boring comment was not concerning this part of your rant.

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:12 am

t3toooo wrote: One thing i don't like from a business point of view.

A purchase from Europe,in my case from Germany,i would need to pay in Dollar and Paypal is getting a horrendous convert fee and it will add a whopping 19% Vat too?
And i need to create an account and push "pay with Paypal" only to find out what the actual price is?

The store does not add VAT. Does PayPal? This is news to me.

We change in US dollars same as we always have. I don't control exchange rates. That is decided by someone(s) with much more power than me...

Sometimes this works out really well for certain countries, other times, not quite as well. I'm just glad we don't change in Rubles.

Personally, it would seem to me ideal that the USD and the Euro have equal value. Isn't that what "they" want eventually anyway?

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:47 am

Sampleconstruct wrote:
Sounds like a stochastic string quartet by Iannis Xenakis.

It really is kinda freaky isn't it? I mean, it does NOT sound like a synth/FX. It sounds like something real. Strange, yes, but real.... as if a microphone was taken to an alien planet or something...

This is kinda of the philosophy of KS: Mathematics is the "first cause". These rule are set by whatever you want to call it (god, the universe, the architect, whatever.....) The rest of the world emerges from these possibilities... Astronomy, biology, chemistry, music, and everything else work within these rules. and emerges from them. It seems to some extent there are processes in nature that try everything and anything possible within these frameworks, and then there are evolutionary processes that determine particular structure's fitness for a purpose within a given environment... The underlying theme seems to be "if it is possible, why not try it"?

KS is a bit like this. It is said good artists borrow; great artists steal. In the audio DSP community we see a lot of this, with various companies trying to emulate other companies and clone old popular devices. This is fine for some people I suppose, but it is not what we are interested in. We prefer to "steal" from nature and the pure world of mathematics. These are ultimately the best teacher IMHO.

Things like Iris for example are cool bc they can transform sample data and existing spectrums in interesting ways. It's fun. It's useful and valid. But this is ultimately limited to having something that was originally recorded with a microphone. Whatever was recorded with the microphone was built (or evolved) following the same preexisting rules.

KS skips the intermediate step and allows you to sample the sonicification of pure mathematics where anything that is possible is immediately accessible. It skips the intermediate step and avoids the limitation of having to find an object of interest. (So far it is quite difficult to record some rattle/shaker made from the fossilized remains of some prehistoric creature on another world for example.

) Instead KS directly explores the rules that any such objects are made from to begin with. And it does so in a way that very quickly aesthetically rewarding both visually and sonically... This is short explanation of some of the deeper ideas behind KS.

The really freaky thing is when you find yourself playing with abstract image and tonalities, and you start to hear things that you have experienced in the real world. Then you start to realize you are playing with the organizational principals that most things in world are built upon.

If this sounds too weird, please feel free to ignore, like this:

Phorous · Post by **Phorous** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:56 am

I tried that workaround for Macbook Pro 13" Retina model (mines a 2013 I think) and it worked great.

Another solution you can do is simply drag the window to the bottom of the screen or close it and it runs fine!

It even can handle dual string mode with 512 resonaters

EDIT:

Changing the resolution doesn't seem to help too much.

dayjob · Post by **dayjob** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:03 am

Galbanum wrote:typo. there is no 1.1.0.

We have a 1.0.1 internally. I will release it shortly. Maybe tonight. No one else has it yet.

will emails/tweets/facebooks go out to license holders or should we just check back here?

secretkillerofnames · Post by **secretkillerofnames** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:05 am

secretkillerofnames wrote:
TwoToneshuzz wrote:
I've just double checked I'm Hijacking audio output from a Host called Numerology 4 Pro version 4.1 build 147.5 I'm using a recently updated version of Audio Hijack Pro 2.11.4, Kaleidoscope version 1.1.0 [A37a]AVX, My hardware is a iMac mid 2011 3.1 Ghz i5 processor with 12 Gb ram.. My OS is Yosemite 10.10.2 and my toothpaste is ecologically friendly.

The Gui of Kaleidoscope and B2 work as normal. On a side note if I want synced audio I have input the BPM manually on the timing pane in Kaleidoscope as Audio Hijack doesn't seem to have an input for sync data. just to the right of the period window, there is an down arrow when clícked on it allows you to set the Kaleidoscope to internal sync which I enable for using it with Audio Hijack Pro.
OK - well this must be something new for Audio Hijack 3 which is the demo i'm running. Otherwise amazing app that i'm destined to purchase but such an annoying issue.
Don't upgrade it!

Update - looks like version 3.0.1 of Audio Hijack has fixed the problem of it dragging around.
Still can't get Kaleidoscope to work consistently in it - internal sync or not.
I'll keep using it for other things though.

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:32 am

i would say math isn't the cause of anything but it is our mental map for observation of existing orders that we cannot understand otherwise

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:44 am

jackmazzotti wrote:i would say math isn't the cause of anything but it is our mental map for observation of existing orders that we cannot understand otherwise

I like it.

Yes, perhaps my language was a little imprecise. Mathematics itself is not the cause, but it IS the language of whatever that cause is... I suppose we could say "Mathematics is the language of nature", as it has been said before...

lnikj · Post by **lnikj** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:06 am

Galbanum wrote:
tonkatodd wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote: [insist]I still believe we should have backward/forward looping as an option, in many cases I find the looping back to the beginning of the image too obvious.[/insist]
Yes I would like to have a forward/backward feature as well.

+1
OK. It's not hard to do.

Denis wanted to do this already, but I overruled it. I think it is actually less interesting than it seems. Music and sound in general almost never does something and does the same thing exactly in reverse. Time generally flows in one direction. So while this seems fun, it very quickly gets boring and unlikely to be used.

If seamlessly tiling random images that don't tile is the goal there are actually better ways to do this IMHO, and we will explore those also...

But, it's simple to do, so I suppose we can add this... maybe it has some uses...

I understand what you are saying but I note that this is the first time you've replied to a question with a value judgement.

Many of the questions that have been asked (including my own) about 'missing' features have been answered either by us not fully understanding (not RTFM) the depth of the instrument and that those features are either already there or are catered for in a different way, or by an explanation of the computational load that those feature requests would demand.

On this occasion though you've made a value judgement about what you find musically valuable.

I don't want to sound like some raving post structuralist but you've released it now and it is up to all of us now to judge what features we find musically interesting.

Just saying …

lnikj · Post by **lnikj** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:09 am

t3toooo wrote:Sounds very interesting!

One thing i don't like from a business point of view.

A purchase from Europe,in my case from Germany,i would need to pay in Dollar and Paypal is getting a horrendous convert fee and it will add a whopping 19% Vat too?
And i need to create an account and push "pay with Paypal" only to find out what the actual price is?

PayPal didn’t add any VAT when I purchased from the UK. That's pretty worrying for you if it does it in Germany. Does it do it with any purchase of software from the US?

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:14 am

Galbanum wrote:
jackmazzotti wrote:i would say math isn't the cause of anything but it is our mental map for observation of existing orders that we cannot understand otherwise
I like it.

Yes, perhaps my language was a little imprecise. Mathematics itself is not the cause, but it IS the language of whatever that cause is... I suppose we could say "Mathematics is the language of nature", as it has been said before...

It's not like the master of the waveforms to be imprecise

I would say math is one way of knowing and a very powerful way of knowing at that.
Even the New Jerusalem has very precise mathematical dimensions as did the Tabernacle of Moses and Solomon's Temple. Certainly the Creator of all that is seen and unseen also created our brains with the ability to comprehend portions of the seen and unseen world through the abstract lens of mathematics. It is definitely a language as you said. It is also a language that God will have us appreciate Him through as well. As beautiful and precise as mathematics can be they can also have a mysterious quality that contradicts their very nature of quantifying. When we perceive orders in this way we are seeing secrets of the finger prints of God.

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:27 am

regarding Andrew's remarks about the somehow real sound KS
metasynth can produce this sound as well in a different way
the reason is because the sounds are being organized through visual data
in a sense a sort synthesis occurs within our consciousness
much understanding of creation and social connections are finally being perceived through visual lenses
sound, sight and mathematics are blending into a fusion of different kinds of consciousnesses
Xenakis the architect understood this as well

great book on visualizing data and what the visualizations mean outside of quantities of individual points
such relations could never be understood through numbers alone
programs like KS and Metasynth give us the auditory lens
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/156898 ... UTF8&psc=1

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