Hive needs MODERN Factory Presets (Marketing tip?)

[Aiynzahev]

I think the scale is how many songs in top ten?

I think thats correct.

[Xenos]

So, how are we doing so far in making more "modern" sounds? I think Aiyn Zahev and Eternity Sound have the best EDM patches of all of us right now, and going through their factory sounds has proved highly educational. The rest of us on the team would really do well to study their work, and study several different EDM mixes on YouTube. I find it most helpful to "get" the more subtle aspects of the genre the way the younger crowd does. I enjoy ambient/chillout, deep dubstep, hip hop/trap, and retro stuff the most, but gained a whole new perspective about various aspects of EDM sound design since starting this project. I'm really excited to reinstall Diva and see what kind of dance stuff can be done with it. Got a killer deal this week on new 64-bit quad core 3.4 Ghz machine with 8GB ram - powerful enough to actually PLAY those new U-He synths instead of bringing the CPU to its knees from just 2 notes.

[syntheticillusion]

I want the audiodemo sounds from the mp3 previews, like VirusSaw and 90sTechSynth
here's my presets, if your interested, I like Electronic Body Music, Dark Electro, Anhalt-EBM
Synthpop, Futurepop, Dark Wave, Gothic Rock, Black Metal, Gothic Metal, and I want to
have sounds like in these genres primarly Dark Electro, that's why a lot of my sounds are
supersaw based, the saw is my favourite waveform, I like the square too but the sine is
aweful on Analog synths, SinePads are annoying for me, I hope there are more sounds from
Xenos like Suicide Commando's Love Breeds Suicide, the primary synth in that song is a
Roland JV-1080, but since it's impossible to recreate some songs Johan Van Roy uses he
also used a Yamaha CS1X, Roland JP-8000 and Access Virus Indigo back then in the early
2000's so that is a clue that Hive can do those type of supersaw sounds like an Acces Virus
which I thought was the point of the MP3 preview VirusPad.mp3
https://www.audiobombs.com/items/742/u-he-hive-presets
I made a lot of mp3 demos on my audiobombs page for my hive presets.

[ksandvik]

Modern patches this year, totally outdated/old 2016...

[Spitfire31]

…different EDM mixes on YouTube. I find it most helpful to "get" the more subtle aspects of the genre…

"Subtle"? Odd choice of adjective in the context…

/Joachim

[mcnoone]

The sound isn't what's modern, it's what's done to the sound that's modern.

[Xenos]

ehhhh...know what? F*ck it. Today, I think it'll be fun to just drop a basic 4-on-the-floor house beat in the DAW, try to invent some brand new ideas and hope they catch on as a future EDM trend. Not supersaws, not wobbles, not pitchbent "woop woops", not chord stabs, or anything else familiar. I've had some ideas for a while that I've never seen done before, but never included them in any of my commercial sets or factory projects. Already got a new pad in the EDM folder with some crazy polyrythmic textural stuttering going on in the modulation sequencer ("PD Stuttercore"). The leads and basses in this folder could use something completely foreign as well. As this is a factory preset project, and we've all already covered a good chunk of the expected stuff, I wanna try exploring new trends.

[MFXxx]

ehhhh...know what? F*ck it. Today, I think it'll be fun to just drop a basic 4-on-the-floor house beat in the DAW, try to invent some brand new ideas and hope they catch on as a future EDM trend. Not supersaws, not wobbles, not pitchbent "woop woops", not chord stabs, or anything else familiar. I've had some ideas for a while that I've never seen done before, but never included them in any of my commercial sets or factory projects. Already got a new pad in the EDM folder with some crazy polyrythmic textural stuttering going on in the modulation sequencer ("PD Stuttercore"). The leads and basses in this folder could use something completely foreign as well. As this is a factory preset project, and we've all already covered a good chunk of the expected stuff, I wanna try exploring new trends.

You read my feking mind, new original sounds are the key. However I suspect a lot of potential punters want to buy sounds and patch names of what they deem as familiar...you've got some great patches and I mean no disrepect to you or any other sound designers (for which I respect their vision and work). How many yester-year emulations do we need, how many other artists do we want to sound like!?

Bring something fresh that are great starting points for artists to evolve the patch.

I just realised something that a lot end users dont realise when chasing "That Sound" at the end of the rainbow, is it's not just the instrument and the patch. It's the effects applied, the compression, eq'ing, mixing, blend of other sounds and textures...so on.

Bring it on xenos...I challenge you

[Howard]

+1000 to the previous 2 posts.

[Xenos]

Good to hear more experimental ideas will be appreciated . I'll upload my latest 'beta' Hive collection tomorrow. At 240-something patches at the moment. Still gonna need to balance out the levels later, though. The new patches are a bit quieter than the others, and all those old ones need to have the volume reduced.

Made 2 textural "wild card" leads in the EDM folder which sound good sidechained with the kickdrum track. Loosely based off chiptune sound design concepts, but different. The rest of the more experimental content I put in the Hip Hop/Trap folder as I felt they were more usable there.

[Painmooser]

its not a problem for me as I dont use preset sounds.

but I often try to convince my friends to look into diva and zebra, but all they do is check the presets and some demo sounds..

and they are totally boring, like caine said: synthetic flute or vintage vibrato sounds.. sounds you will NEVER hear in a club!

I think in order to make good patches one must go into a good underground club, not a charts crap disco...

and trust me even if youre a rockstar - you will get that feeling in an underground techno room.. (experiment a little bit..); If you have no love for it - you cant do patches / sounds. thats very important.


for example look at lush 101 <- they have those proper 80s / pop-shine patches - exactly what they target the synth at. And even if youre not into 80s sounds you must admit the patches sound good and introduce to play around with them for a while.. if you say no youre lying..

patches must show the strength of the synth AND be just mojo heavy and must influence the user to play around around with it.

casio like sounds no one wants.

instead of 1000 mediocre preset 10 perfect or 100 good presets are much better!!!


not for me - mind you - but my friends! its really horrible that there arent better patch sounds..

For my tastes when I randomly click preset sounds.. 30% could just be deleted and 5% are really inetresting and one can use right out of the box.. that yield is too low..


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what would help alot is if DIVA could get a 2x or 4x multilayer for easy making interesting sounds with texture rich detail. layering is the key nowadays to set new step stones in music as the standard synth sounds are heard so often and boring...

yeah of course I can load 3 divas and midi play them at the same time to layer them.. but I talk about patches.. already made sounds..

just a friendly tip-- if made right could boost sales miles high.. trust me.. most people buy if presets rock..


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here are some examples: listen to the synth sounds in that mix for example: https://soundcloud.com/doppelrahmstufe/ ... just-relax
[drop coming down at 29:30 for example.. interesting sounds)

if you think those kind of sounds are "easy" then why not make some hundreds? I was once arrogant too, but I learned and got neutral. I have now 17 years experience in Synths - and synth quickly get transparent for me, what I think is difficult is making the right sound, not using a synth.. but many of my friends need those presets.. they have much less experience...

techno is the right music for that because it uses less sounds, so has much more focus on the few ones that are in the tune.. they must sit.. and they make the theme of the tune..

take my advice with a grain of salt..

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last words: nothing against howard - there are some HS patches I think are good.. but in order to market the HIVE you need patch makers who are in the sturm and Drang phase of their lives not in the old man at the sea if you know what I mean?

[Xenos]

its not a problem for me as I dont use preset sounds.

but I often try to convince my friends to look into diva and zebra, but all they do is check the presets and some demo sounds..

and they are totally boring, like caine said: synthetic flute or vintage vibrato sounds.. sounds you will NEVER hear in a club!

I think in order to make good patches one must go into a good underground club, not a charts crap disco...

and trust me even if youre a rockstar - you will get that feeling in an underground techno room.. (experiment a little bit..); If you have no love for it - you cant do patches / sounds. thats very important.


for example look at lush 101 <- they have those proper 80s / pop-shine patches - exactly what they target the synth at. And even if youre not into 80s sounds you must admit the patches sound good and introduce to play around with them for a while.. if you say no youre lying..

patches must show the strength of the synth AND be just mojo heavy and must influence the user to play around around with it.

casio like sounds no one wants.

instead of 1000 mediocre preset 10 perfect or 100 good presets are much better!!!


not for me - mind you - but my friends! its really horrible that there arent better patch sounds..

For my tastes when I randomly click preset sounds.. 30% could just be deleted and 5% are really inetresting and one can use right out of the box.. that yield is too low..


--


what would help alot is if DIVA could get a 2x or 4x multilayer for easy making interesting sounds with texture rich detail. layering is the key nowadays to set new step stones in music as the standard synth sounds are heard so often and boring...

yeah of course I can load 3 divas and midi play them at the same time to layer them.. but I talk about patches.. already made sounds..

just a friendly tip-- if made right could boost sales miles high.. trust me.. most people buy if presets rock..


--


here are some examples: listen to the synth sounds in that mix for example: https://soundcloud.com/doppelrahmstufe/ ... just-relax
[drop coming down at 29:30 for example.. interesting sounds)

if you think those kind of sounds are "easy" then why not make some hundreds? I was once arrogant too, but I learned and got neutral. I have now 17 years experience in Synths - and synth quickly get transparent for me, what I think is difficult is making the right sound, not using a synth.. but many of my friends need those presets.. they have much less experience...

techno is the right music for that because it uses less sounds, so has much more focus on the few ones that are in the tune.. they must sit.. and they make the theme of the tune..

take my advice with a grain of salt..

--


last words: nothing against howard - there are some HS patches I think are good.. but in order to market the HIVE you need patch makers who are in the sturm and Drang phase of their lives not in the old man at the sea if you know what I mean?

Thanks a lot for taking the time to offer some input. I've been listening to the mix you posted and a couple of things stood out so far. A lot of the sounds in minimal techno are NOT immediately easy to do, and I say this as someone with 25 years of hobbyist synth programming experience

I really think Massive would be a better fit for many of these sounds. I hear a lot of parameter automation, so I'm thinking of Massive's 8 Macro Controls for immediate user access. Also, I think Massive's groove sequencing LFOs would work better for the abstract sequences and rhythmic movement I hear in this mix. Hive is a great synth, but comes with a limited feature set. For those complex layered patches, I would check out Tone2 ElectraX, as it's architecture uses true layering, and you have all the synth's features available per single layer.

I downloaded the mix you posted to take home with me and listen to. Gonna delve into it more deeply with Hive on hand and look into this a bit more closely. With making layered sounds on synth that has a limited feature set, a workaround would be programming the individual layers as separate patches and label them as "Patch Name Layer A", "Patch Name Layer B", etc.

As for Howard Scarr...the oldtimers have one advantage over the rest of us: Their work tends to never go out of style. Vintage sounds have a certain timeless and all-encompassing quality to them that stays alive long after the latest fads have faded. I definite agree, however, that Hive could have used preset designers like Rob Lee, Vandalism and Vengeance. Those guys definitely have a great reputation in the EDM community.

[Xenos]

Just made this: https://app.box.com/s/u17tgj2qg9i5vns98yx622my9y0lqt4u

The patch is made to be synced to the host. Enter one loooong note, and just throw a 120 - 128 bpm drumloop over it. Is this what your friends are looking for?

[mcnoone]

its not a problem for me as I dont use preset sounds.

Your post sounds elitist imo.
Your music is just drum and bass without sounds at all, and quite repetitive as well.
Stop telling sound designers what sounds to make.
We are all different and we like different sounds.
I like to mix it up with some different types of sound, and I like to hear different sounds being used in different ways, as in how they are manipulated through the daws features, and skills of production.
The best producers can start with a naked sound, bare of effects, and no strong lfo modulations, and create a more personal sound from it within minutes, just by adding their own effects tricks, and even their own filters for strong lfo modulation effects.
The best producers don't want sounds loaded with synth included effects, as they mostly like using their own.
The biggest criticism about your post is that you fail to realize that the sounds for it aren't finished yet, and we don't know what other designers will come up for it yet.
There are also many Hive users, who like and want to hear more patches like Howard designs. Which is more in tune with having a larger variety of tasteful sounds, than only an endless amount of trance anthem hoovers. Either way, I think your criticisms were unjustified., as you don't yet know what sounds will be in the finished project. Everyones got different tastes, even within the modern electronic music scene. Everyone thinks they know what sounds best. No wonder the saying, you can't please everyone, is so popular. It's very true. Personally, I don't get some modern edm stuff. Most of it is just sampled bass and drum, with extreme compression, where the few synth sounds used, sound like the initialize patch for one ping only put through a good bit crusher, and distortion module. No offense, just sharing my opinion of course.

[GeorgeZ]

I think Aiyn Zahev and Eternity Sound have the best EDM patches of all of us right now, and going through their factory sounds has proved highly educational. The rest of us on the team would really do well to study their work, and study several different EDM mixes on YouTube

Thanks mate, that means a lot. Coming from you, really.