9 year old Sylenth1 just keeps kickin

[chk071]

@ wagtunes: Fair enough. The point is that you can't generally say it isn't worth its sale price. You don't think that it would add anything to what you already have, and you feel its overpriced, so you don't buy. A wise decision. I wouldn't buy it new full price either, because i think there are equally prices plugins nowadays, which offer a lot more, and just the sound doesn't justify buying it for the full price. Other are all over it, even for the price being asked. And so everyone does what he thinks is the best decision.

[wagtunes]

You have made your point, you don't think much of Sylenth1. But you should realize that many people simply disagree with you on your views and verdict...

And that's fine. If somebody looking for their first synth thinks that Sylenth1 at $158 is worth every penny, for whatever reason, power to them. Additionally, if somebody with a hundred VSTs also thinks that Sylenth1 at $158 will actually add something to their sonic collection, power to them too.

But I would have to be stark raving mad or just rich beyond belief to spend $158 on a 9 year old synth that is, by today's standards, very basic.

[fluffy_little_something]

Just to pick 2 of your synths, Element and Superwave P8.

I have Element as well, but I am selling it because I simply don't use it anymore since I got S1. Element is good for bass and leads, but it sucks as pads, unlike S1.

I have the improved version of the P8 (i.e. Professional and Trance-Pro). For their sale price they are very good, but soundwise S1 owns them both, not least because of the filter quality and the included effects. Actually, the Superwave synths were my default synths in the past, and I still like them, but the sound quality is just not as good as with S1. Else I would not have bought S1.

I still use the P80, though, my only other synth next to S1 now.

[wagtunes]

Just to pick 2 of your synths, Element and Superwave P8.

I have Element as well, but I am selling it because I simply don't use it anymore since I got S1. Element is good for bass and leads, but it sucks as pads, unlike S1.

I have the improved version of the P8 (i.e. Professional and Trance-Pro). For their sale price they are very good, but soundwise S1 owns them both, not least because of the filter quality and the included effects. Actually, the Superwave synths were my default synths in the past, and I still like them, but the sound quality is just not as good as with S1. Else I would not have bought S1.

I still use the P80, though, my only other synth next to S1 now.

Superwave P8 I got for free a long time ago. I didn't realize it was a paid for synth now. If it was, I wouldn't pay for it. It's okay, but nothing amazing. It's very dated.

Waves Element, I got for 50% off so it was worth it to me as I liked the sound. I've been able to do some very cool things with it. But then again, I like really digging into a synth to get the most out of it. From what I see of Sylenth1, that just doesn't appear even possible as it's a very basic synth.

[fluffy_little_something]

You have made your point, you don't think much of Sylenth1. But you should realize that many people simply disagree with you on your views and verdict...

And that's fine. If somebody looking for their first synth thinks that Sylenth1 at $158 is worth every penny, for whatever reason, power to them. Additionally, if somebody with a hundred VSTs also thinks that Sylenth1 at $158 will actually add something to their sonic collection, power to them too.

But I would have to be stark raving mad or just rich beyond belief to spend $158 on a 9 year old synth that is, by today's standards, very basic.

I bought it for under 100, seemed a fair price to me.

First synth?! It is my last synth for the time being, I had many synths before and all were inferior to S1. It is a very good replacement for hardware analog synths, the sound is pleasant and present in the mix, there is hardly any aliasing etc. In my view it is ideal for musicians looking for a solid, reliable old-skool workhorse, but not for a Swiss army knife kind of synth with the latest features and crazy modulation etc.

[wagtunes]

You have made your point, you don't think much of Sylenth1. But you should realize that many people simply disagree with you on your views and verdict...

And that's fine. If somebody looking for their first synth thinks that Sylenth1 at $158 is worth every penny, for whatever reason, power to them. Additionally, if somebody with a hundred VSTs also thinks that Sylenth1 at $158 will actually add something to their sonic collection, power to them too.

But I would have to be stark raving mad or just rich beyond belief to spend $158 on a 9 year old synth that is, by today's standards, very basic.

I bought it for under 100, seemed a fair price to me.

First synth?! It is my last synth for the time being, I had many synths before and all were inferior to S1. It is a very good replacement for hardware analog synths, the sound is pleasant and present in the mix, there is hardly any aliasing etc. In my view it is ideal for musicians looking for a solid, reliable old-skool workhorse, but not for a Swiss army knife kind of synth with the latest features and crazy modulation etc.

Yeah, for under a hundred, it's worth it. In fact, if Sylenth1 was selling for $99, I might actually pick it up for when I'm looking for quick and easy or down and dirty EDM stuff when I'm just not in the mood to dig into programming stuff or in a hurry to complete a project.

Like I said, I never knocked the sound. It's fine. It isn't $158 fine though. Not with what's already at my disposal.

If Sylenth1 ever has some crazy 50% off sale, I may very well pick it up.

So yes, my biggest problem with this synth is the price. And I think that is a more than legitimate argument.

[fluffy_little_something]

Just to pick 2 of your synths, Element and Superwave P8.

I have Element as well, but I am selling it because I simply don't use it anymore since I got S1. Element is good for bass and leads, but it sucks as pads, unlike S1.

I have the improved version of the P8 (i.e. Professional and Trance-Pro). For their sale price they are very good, but soundwise S1 owns them both, not least because of the filter quality and the included effects. Actually, the Superwave synths were my default synths in the past, and I still like them, but the sound quality is just not as good as with S1. Else I would not have bought S1.

I still use the P80, though, my only other synth next to S1 now.

Superwave P8 I got for free a long time ago. I didn't realize it was a paid for synth now. If it was, I wouldn't pay for it. It's okay, but nothing amazing. It's very dated.

Waves Element, I got for 50% off so it was worth it to me as I liked the sound. I've been able to do some very cool things with it. But then again, I like really digging into a synth to get the most out of it. From what I see of Sylenth1, that just doesn't appear even possible as it's a very basic synth.

No no, the P8 is still free, but there have always been the two superior paid versions of it.
They are as dated as S1, though

Element allows for some rough and harsh sounds because of FM etc., but I don't like such sounds, I want old-skool sounds like in the late 70s and early 80s. Element's simply doesn't allow for good Oberheim brass pads, lush strings etc. It sounds too thin and cold for that.

[wagtunes]

Just to pick 2 of your synths, Element and Superwave P8.

I have Element as well, but I am selling it because I simply don't use it anymore since I got S1. Element is good for bass and leads, but it sucks as pads, unlike S1.

I have the improved version of the P8 (i.e. Professional and Trance-Pro). For their sale price they are very good, but soundwise S1 owns them both, not least because of the filter quality and the included effects. Actually, the Superwave synths were my default synths in the past, and I still like them, but the sound quality is just not as good as with S1. Else I would not have bought S1.

I still use the P80, though, my only other synth next to S1 now.

Superwave P8 I got for free a long time ago. I didn't realize it was a paid for synth now. If it was, I wouldn't pay for it. It's okay, but nothing amazing. It's very dated.

Waves Element, I got for 50% off so it was worth it to me as I liked the sound. I've been able to do some very cool things with it. But then again, I like really digging into a synth to get the most out of it. From what I see of Sylenth1, that just doesn't appear even possible as it's a very basic synth.

No no, the P8 is still free, but there have always been the two superior paid versions of it.
They are as dated as S1, though

Element allows for some rough and harsh sounds because of FM etc., but I don't like such sounds, I want old-skool sounds like in the late 70s and early 80s. Element's simply doesn't allow for good Oberheim brass pads, lush strings etc. It sounds too thin and cold for that.

I agree. Which is why I have...

ImpOSCar 2
Mini V
Modular V
MS 20
Oberheim SEM V
OBXD
OP-X Pro II
Or2v
Retrologue
Synth1
XILS 4

More than covers my old school needs.

[fluffy_little_something]

The Oberheim Sem is pretty much the only synth on your list that I would like to have. I considered it for some time, but decided against it because of the reputation of that company.

[pdxindy]

It is a very good replacement for hardware analog synths

Sylenth is not even remotely close to being a replacement for real analog hardware.

First, Sylenth does not have proper Pulse Width Modulation. It also has no Osc Sync. Nor does it have Cross Modulation, Ring Mod, Filter FM or other common analog synth features.

Even more importantly, the sound is weak by comparison... particularly the bass. Turn off the fx and osc unison and listen to the raw osc and it sounds just like a 10 year old soft synth. Not even in the ballpark for capturing the vitality of a good analog monobass.

[chk071]

It is a very good replacement for hardware analog synths

Sylenth is not even remotely close to being a replacement for real analog hardware.

First, Sylenth does not have proper Pulse Width Modulation. It also has no Osc Sync. Nor does it have Cross Modulation, Ring Mod, Filter FM or other common analog synth features.

Even more importantly, the sound is weak by comparison... particularly the bass. Turn off the fx and osc unison and listen to the raw osc and it sounds just like a 10 year old soft synth. Not even in the ballpark for capturing the vitality of a good analog monobass.

I try to make music with my soft synths, not sound like raw waves from analog hardware.

[pdxindy]

It is a very good replacement for hardware analog synths

Sylenth is not even remotely close to being a replacement for real analog hardware.

First, Sylenth does not have proper Pulse Width Modulation. It also has no Osc Sync. Nor does it have Cross Modulation, Ring Mod, Filter FM or other common analog synth features.

Even more importantly, the sound is weak by comparison... particularly the bass. Turn off the fx and osc unison and listen to the raw osc and it sounds just like a 10 year old soft synth. Not even in the ballpark for capturing the vitality of a good analog monobass.

I try to make music with my soft synths, not sound like raw waves from analog hardware.

Glad you agree with me

[audiosabre]

I think those that appreciate Sylenth1, appreciate it for what it is, not what it isn't

[fluffy_little_something]

It is a very good replacement for hardware analog synths

Sylenth is not even remotely close to being a replacement for real analog hardware.

First, Sylenth does not have proper Pulse Width Modulation. It also has no Osc Sync. Nor does it have Cross Modulation, Ring Mod, Filter FM or other common analog synth features.

Even more importantly, the sound is weak by comparison... particularly the bass. Turn off the fx and osc unison and listen to the raw osc and it sounds just like a 10 year old soft synth. Not even in the ballpark for capturing the vitality of a good analog monobass.

Yes, a dedicated PW control would be nice. But I can live with the workaround, which works fine btw.

I used to have TAL's U-NO-LX, which is said to be a very precise emulation of the analog hardware Juno. When I turned off the chorus, there was not that much left of the sound, either. And it did not even have an equalizer, unlike S1. The equalizer is efficient, although not as great as Element's.

I really don't know why people keep saying S1 sounds weak. It has a somewhat polished sound, one doesn't have to prune it to fit in the mix, if that is what you mean. But I have no problem with that, actually I like it.

Nor is it as little flexible as people say. For instance they should combine any two waveforms and mess around with the phase controls of each. Or send both A and B through both filters, which allows for vocoder type sounds.

[Passing Bye]

To me S1 is like Macbook, you just can't deny things that are lame and awesome about them, even some things that are awesome and lame in same time or just some awesome ones that overshadow lame ones, maybe it's not your fit, but it fit's where it is for exactly what it is and you know that no matter how much you try to deny that, in best case scenario you can barely avoid getting them lol but you know deep inside you want them