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Galbanum wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote: Lol, sure as I only kaleidoscope at night I speak to normal people during daytime before the Kaleidoverse sucks me back in around 2 am.

hahahah :lol: :lol: :lol:

HASHTAG #Kaleidoverse

(We'll send the royalties your way... :oops: )

So, speaking of.... the above 4 images I posted are quite useful!!

The following all use one (or two) of those four images (and nothing else):

https://soundcloud.com/2caudio/sets/kal ... the-future

This is all pure KS. No input signal, no extra FX at all...
That highly interesting examples !

:tu:

I assume though it might be difficult to use them on a performing instrument or anoter judging by the fact that the rendering sound of a simple continuous white noise is so elaborate in itself...

But considering a well defined harmonic and/or rythmic canvas it obviouly can give some rooms to the performer while playing...and this looks fantastic ;IMO

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Krakatau wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Got this most beautiful sounding windgong yesterday (65 cm in ø) - this is high priority on the list of instruments to be kaleidoscoped next.
I assume it shall give, (except structurally) a quite similar influence on resonnators at some timbral aspects as the inner white noise generator does...

...so you might be able to anticipate the sonic results at certain degree, me thinks !

:idea:
Without boasting, I dare to say that I can pretty much anticipate most things in KS now, the kaleidophase of trial and error is mostly over, the kaleidolution is taking it's course. The only yet uncharted territory for me is the abstract data created by waveforms extracted from audio sources, unless you're making a simple sine, square or sawtooth wave that is.

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Sampleconstruct wrote:
Krakatau wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Got this most beautiful sounding windgong yesterday (65 cm in ø) - this is high priority on the list of instruments to be kaleidoscoped next.
I assume it shall give, (except structurally) a quite similar influence on resonnators at some timbral aspects as the inner white noise generator does...

...so you might be able to anticipate the sonic results at certain degree, me thinks !

:idea:
Without boasting, I dare to say that I can pretty much anticipate most things in KS now, the kaleidophase of trial and error is mostly over, the kaleidolution is taking it's course. The only yet uncharted territory for me is the abstract data created by waveforms extracted from audio sources, unless you're making a simple sine, square or sawtooth wave that is.
Simon - is this knowledge that can be communicated to others? Or is it some zen like state? :wink:

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lnikj wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Krakatau wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Got this most beautiful sounding windgong yesterday (65 cm in ø) - this is high priority on the list of instruments to be kaleidoscoped next.
I assume it shall give, (except structurally) a quite similar influence on resonnators at some timbral aspects as the inner white noise generator does...

...so you might be able to anticipate the sonic results at certain degree, me thinks !

:idea:
Without boasting, I dare to say that I can pretty much anticipate most things in KS now, the kaleidophase of trial and error is mostly over, the kaleidolution is taking it's course. The only yet uncharted territory for me is the abstract data created by waveforms extracted from audio sources, unless you're making a simple sine, square or sawtooth wave that is.
Simon - is this knowledge that can be communicated to others? Or is it some zen like state? :wink:
Oh sure, it can be communicated, part of it is indeed a zen-thing, as things do happen intuitively after a while when working with KS (as you have most probably experienced for yourself), if you had to word certain scientific "rules" (e.g. what images do exactly to determine the amplitude and pitches of the resonances) then it would become more difficult, yet it's possible and if Andrew doesn't spit out a basic video tutorial soon, I shall do it for him.

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I am beginning to be able to predict how images will sound with certain basic tunings / timings / resonator modes / control settings, and thus tailoring them accordingly, but it is predicting their interaction with the wide range of tuning possibiblites that I am still floundering around in the dark on.

This is probably just as much a lacuna in my musical knowledge though as my failure to grasp what is going on in Kaleidoscope.

Your videos on granular synthesis were excellent; I'd love to see similar stuff here, though I know you're very busy (not least with the sysiphean Iris conversion task!).

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Sampleconstruct wrote:
jtenney wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Here is an example from my real world, introducing the new genre of Kaleidoscope etudes.

Four rendered instances of Kaleidoscope processing the identical source sound - an animated drone texture from my Diversion soundset Diversity 2 - using 4 similar custom presets from the same preset family. Some Übermod, crusherX and B2 process the individual audio files, each rendered audio file is repeated twice and each track has individual volume automation.

http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/u ... cope-etude
This is beautiful, Simon! I got lost in it, wearing phones... But I found my way back. :) Etudes, mmm? Introducing a new genre? Consider also preludes, and fugues, and fantaisies upon themes of, well, whatever you like... You clearly know the sky's the limit with this instrument.
Thank you, John - haven't used headphones in years but for field recording, I prefer some air in between :)
I do know what you mean about "air in between"... I actually use both my Sony V6s (I'm on my third pair) and my nice little Equator D5s positioned maybe 60 cm equidistant from my ears, coupled with a cheap small subwoofer. Seems to do the trick... I just happened to be on phones when I listened to your piece, and the detail really sucked me in!

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Andrew, a quick feature request. Is it possible/feasible to put some kind of control- or option-click in place on the white noise slider, for quickly getting to exactly 100%, since that is a value that has a special function? Feel free to ignore if it's impractical or dumb... Thanks!

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quite interesting...

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Heres another example:

https://soundcloud.com/twotoneshuzz/memoryloss


The main sound bed Flutewind Drone was produced into a preset for Iris v1 by Simon. He used a Serum patch and effected it in Kaleidoscope .

I'm trying to meld it with an improv (edited) with a Bass Flute patch from the Diversity for Diversion Library, and a Kaleidoscope-->Molekular effected Chromaphone sound from the Cardinals Soundset. Another Diversity sound "Linger Pluck" functions as a Bass was distorted using Trash 2 and sweetened with a little reverb from Valhalla Room. The whole was mastered using CLseries compressor by ArtsAcoustic and the Mastering Ambience preset from 2CAudio's B2

Mixed and edited in Logic X
Last edited by TwoToneshuzz on Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:07 am, edited 1 time in total.
waves break, but somehow it all makes sense.

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This is from the second pict posted above. White noise generator. Purely generative. No input. Goes into a B2 that provided a chorus FX. Starts dry and then fades to 100% wet of B2.

https://soundcloud.com/2caudio/ks-puma-lovers

It has interesting melodic phrase in harmonic minor scale serendipitously with some kind of Latin American feel to it...

http://www.2caudio.com/sitecontent/prod ... Lovers.png

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This demonstrates an interesting point: Note the X and Y Offset values. When making these kind of melodic/phrase presets it is good to listen in loop and change Y offset until you find something you like. Your brain will then ascribe some kind of subconscious meaning to the phrase and project some kind of musical significance to it. If you are listening in solo in a continuous loop, the "downbeat" is wherever your brain tells you it should be. So listen in solo, then decide where the start of the phrase is. Tap your foot--find the groove. Then use X-Offset to shift the image so that the start of the phrase is at the left of the image. Thus it will align with the grid in your host and make musical sense as you add other non-KS instruments...

Something as trite and as a silly as X-offset actually has a lot of meaning in music. Consider a drum loop in 4/4. You expect the Snare to be on the second and 4th quarter note, yes? And you might expect the the open hi-hat to be on every other 8th note. If these things are shifted in phase, the musical result is not the same.

Thus you can take the same musical phrase from within KS and sift it around and each position will give a different meaning relative to your existing musical structures. This is a subtle but important thing to realize for the more musical applications of KS.

Holding shift while dragging the picture (changing both X and Y offset at the same time), or while dragging X or Y offset sliders will snap the offset to the grid settings. This is what you want when dealing with rhythmic things like the images above which can be considered as some kind of highly advanced piano-roll notation in such usage cases...

I have just made several hundred new images like this, and they are a gold-mine for this kind of "abstract musical phrase" use which have immediate application in almost all styles of electronic music and EDM/IDM etc.

Also note, nothing at all requires you to use the full image. Lots of dance music is made from 1 measure, or even 1/2 measure loops. You can use X-size to use only part of the image to supply only a 1/2 measure pattern for example.

You can then use a second image with a much longer period and a smoothly continuous image to produce shifting variations of this soft pattern... this generates insanely cool stuff very quickly...

KS for musical applications is all about "Theme and variation". So far a lot of the examples I have heard have explored the more random aspects... this is certainly awesome and inspiring and I have heard some really cool stuff... The next step is to move into purposeful control. Hopefully these tips help that goal some. :tu:
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Kyma 7 loves KS :party:

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Galbanum wrote: KS for musical applications is all about "Theme and variation". So far a lot of the examples I have heard have explored the more random aspects... this is certainly awesome and inspiring and I have heard some really cool stuff... The next step is to move into purposeful control. Hopefully these tips help that goal some. :tu:
Thanks Andrew for the very clear explanation..

Purposeful control is highly desirable.
waves break, but somehow it all makes sense.

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Here's a sound using the other image from above.

https://soundcloud.com/2caudio/ks-captain-crunch-1
https://soundcloud.com/2caudio/ks-captain-crunch-2

One KS Into One B2. Square wave test tone was the input signal.

Algo-Comp example... interesting rhythmic-melodic phrase in phrygian mode.

Sent into Izotope Trash to give an aggressive timbre...

then into B2 with automated wet/dry mix...

different Trash and B2 presets for the two examples... same KS settings...

the point here is that KS supplies the musical "performance", and the tone/timbre can be transformed however desired using other plugs...

http://www.2caudio.com/sitecontent/prod ... Crunch.png

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Note this image is quite complex. But I don't need to use it all. Here I just use 1/4 of it. I used Y-offset to find a cool part with the right vibe I was after for the rhythmic phrase. The Pattern is a 4 measures long. There is a also a second image which you cant see giving a 45 deg diagonal band to sweep through this pattern over 16 measures...

then make aggressive with a simple application of Trash. Then B2 provides some "fade to chaos" kind of stuff...

nice for various "agro" needs...

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...we should have a contest. Everyone should make an example using the two images above. Use them however you like. It will be a test to show how much diversity is possible from one/two images...

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Galbanum wrote:Here's a sound using the other image from above.

https://soundcloud.com/2caudio/ks-captain-crunch-1
https://soundcloud.com/2caudio/ks-captain-crunch-2

One KS Into One B2. Square wave test tone was the input signal.

Algo-Comp example... interesting rhythmic-melodic phrase in phrygian mode.

Sent into Izotope Trash to give an aggressive timbre...

then into B2 with automated wet/dry mix...

different Trash and B2 presets for the two examples... same KS settings...

the point here is that KS supplies the musical "performance", and the tone/timbre can be transformed however desired using other plugs...

http://www.2caudio.com/sitecontent/prod ... Crunch.png

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Note this image is quite complex. But I don't need to use it all. Here I just use 1/4 of it. I used Y-offset to find a cool part with the right vibe I was after for the rhythmic phrase. The Pattern is a 4 measures long. There is a also a second image which you cant see giving a 45 deg diagonal band to sweep through this pattern over 16 measures...

then make aggressive with a simple application of Trash. Then B2 provides some "fade to chaos" kind of stuff...

nice for various "agro" needs...
Great stuff! I like the aggressive processing.
waves break, but somehow it all makes sense.

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