SquaredHeads Nora: Arpeggiator (2.5 Released!)

[dusted william]

Those video's reference www.kick101.com, the site says it's undergoing maintenance. hopefully it'll be up soon.

dw

[whyterabbyt]

Also nothing new for you is going into swearing mode real quick.

No, its not new, but its actually about half as frequent as your little faux-swearing bouts, so at least Im not a 'funking' hypocrite.

[basslinemaster]

My concern is not "mainly" the fast development. My concern is also where this route is going in terms of financial aspects considering the really fast updates. SquareHeads is a new company, so they can only learn from mistakes of other companies. But there is a trend as of late with both big and small players on the market to push out "updates" within a very short period of time (between 5 and 10 months), sometimes only with minor changes or maintenance updates, and asking for upgrade prices between 50% to 75% for it without even exhausting resources first.

"there is a trend of late"... means nothing. SquareHeads isn't those other companies. It is doing nothing to be concerned about, quite the reverse. You're actually complaining becuase a company is bringing out rapid, useful updates to their software? And if they DO decide to charge for an update (which I'm sure they will one day soon), nobody who already has Nora has to buy it - we weigh it up and see whether the extra updates are worth paying however much SquareHeads are asking for it. Talk about getting your panties in a bunch over your own imagination. It's just ridiculous. You've set up a hypothetical 'what if' situation in your mind, and are now worrying over something that hasn't happened yet, and which isn't going to happen.
And you're also spreading FUD about SquareHeads for no good reason whatsoever. Who cares if OTHER companies have done something you don't like. SquareHeads' behaviour has been exemplary, they've brought out a reasonably priced and very powerful program, worked hard to update it, given the update to users for FREE, and still you are coming up with doomsday 'what if' scenarios, based on nothing other than your own, over active imagination...

[auron]

Its the same like in the Cubase and Spectrasonic Update discussion! I am interested in this arpeggiator and now i am really quite shocked that compyfox derails this thread as well. What the heck are you up to compyfox? Why all that poison? Never met a person on a forum that is so much negative.

[Spitfire31]

SquareHeads' behaviour has been exemplary, they've brought out a reasonably priced and very powerful program, worked hard to update it, given the update to users for FREE …

What the man said!

/Joachim

[Compyfox]

"there is a trend of late"... means nothing.

As the trends of "console-type plugins wars" (2-3 years ago), "tape machine emulation flood" (two years ago IIRC) and the "trend to go subscription based" also means nothing?

Its the same like in the Cubase and Spectrasonic Update discussion! I am interested in this arpeggiator and now i am really quite shocked that compyfox derails this thread as well.

I'm a Steinberg user for over 20 years at this point, and I've seen/experienced things that others may have hot. And regarding Spectrasonics (I'm also almost at 10 years with their VSTi, longer with their sample range), I commented on the (IMO!) nonsense-argumentation regarding the "buy Omni v1 now, get Omni v2 free" and even defended Spectrasonics for going that route (their update politics are exceptional as well, btw).

YMMV of course.

You're actually complaining becuase a company is bringing out rapid, useful updates to their software? And if they DO decide to charge for an update (which I'm sure they will one day soon), nobody who already has Nora has to buy it - we weigh it up and see whether the extra updates are worth paying however much SquareHeads are asking for it.

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SquareHeads' behaviour has been exemplary, they've brought out a reasonably priced and very powerful program, worked hard to update it, given the update to users for FREE

Free updates and upgrades at this point are admirable and that was not my point criticism. This is actually the strong suit in counter arguments and currently it's main selling point (I hope we can agree on that end).

The question is still not "if" they do ask for paid upgrades - but "when is an update/upgrade considered a paid one" and then a "how much will it be"? This is all I commented on.

I do have a problem with companies lately that shove out updates and upgrades at a fast pace (again, within 5-10 months without using up all possible resources first) and then are so bold and ask for a crap ton of money for a half arsed maintenance fix. Or the other way around - shove out a load of tools and then ignore their legit paying user-base in various sections (support mainly). So I've turned a bit skeptical.

What the heck are you up to compyfox?

"The same thing I do every night... Trying to take over the wor..." - oh wait, this is not the super villain forum, sorry.

Why all that poison? Never met a person on a forum that is so much negative.

A couple of friends of mine talk to me about this at odd times. And they don't necessarily see it that way (meaning: poising or negativity). They told me that I am more on the lines of a "devil's advocate", the (uncomfortable) voice of reason, the person that thinks "further", "outside the box", "looks beyond the blinders", talks about things that others don't (since it's uncomfortable). Something that people don't want to hear or even like, sometimes even strongly defend from their point of view since "it's not existing/it can't be happening". (been there myself, several times)

But if anything, it's food for thought - a different viewpoint and/or opinion on a particular topic. And this can of course cause a lot of commotion.


This is all I did here.
Try to get to the bottom of something - and it kicked off a (or rather: the usual) sh!tstorm.

Again, YMMV.





And on a subnote (to hopefully put this to rest, move on and give room again for questions and reports) - the company responded with an open mind about this particular topic without resorting to name calling, finger pointing or crazy shenanigans. I do consider this a good thing. Even more power to them.

Not to mention that what we do currently, is bumping the thread while talking about the company and therefore giving them free promotion. A win-win situation.



As dsan summed it up perfectly:
Happy Musiking.

[basslinemaster]

"there is a trend of late"... means nothing.

As the trends of "console-type plugins wars" (2-3 years ago), "tape machine emulation flood" (two years ago IIRC) and the "trend to go subscription based" also means nothing?

Yes, they mean nothing, because there is no "trend to go subscription based" as MOST VSTs and DAWs are not subscription based... As for the "tape machine emulation flood", I didn't even notice it, so it isn't relevant.

I would reply to your other points, but this forum's quote function doesn't work very easily and makes it a nightmare trying to reply to multiple points. You've come up with an idea in your head and then run with it, despite it having no relevance WHATSOEVER to SquareHeads or their product... Meanwhile, back in the real world, Nora users are very happy indeed with the product, and the pace of improvements that are coming to it. If or when SquareHeads decide to charge us for updates, so be it, I can decide whether I need the updates for a given price or not. They are doing nothing wrong, have done nothing wrong, and your post was just one huge "Oh no... WHAT IF?"

[BasariStudios]

Problem is we are a bunch of spoiled brats and when we buy something we think
we are buying the future, NO!!! When i buy a plugin a buy it as it is at the moment
and for what it is at the moment. I do not think about 5 years in advance. I like it
now and i buy it now, bugs or no bugs, this is the age of internet, you can find out
ahead of time anything you want and then decide to buy it or not. No company gives
you an updated car for free because you own the previous model. If you are happy
live with it, if you have money buy the newer model. And not to disapoint your self,
never buy because ,,the developer promised something'' because if he does not
deliver you will start blaming...just buy what is is NOW.

[basslinemaster]

You're actually complaining becuase a company is bringing out rapid, useful updates to their software? And if they DO decide to charge for an update (which I'm sure they will one day soon), nobody who already has Nora has to buy it - we weigh it up and see whether the extra updates are worth paying however much SquareHeads are asking for it.

...

SquareHeads' behaviour has been exemplary, they've brought out a reasonably priced and very powerful program, worked hard to update it, given the update to users for FREE

Free updates and upgrades at this point are admirable and that was not my point criticism. This is actually the strong suit in counter arguments and currently it's main selling point (I hope we can agree on that end).

The question is still not "if" they do ask for paid upgrades - but "when is an update/upgrade considered a paid one" and then a "how much will it be"? This is all I commented on.

I do have a problem with companies lately that shove out updates and upgrades at a fast pace (again, within 5-10 months without using up all possible resources first) and then are so bold and ask for a crap ton of money for a half arsed maintenance fix. Or the other way around - shove out a load of tools and then ignore their legit paying user-base in various sections (support mainly). So I've turned a bit skeptical.

Well then, post on THEIR threads, about THEIR products. What has what OTHER companies do got to do with SquareHeads, who HAVEN'T done what you are complaining about? Why even bring it up in this thread? Why try to make a 'guilt by association' for SquareHeads, who have done a great job, and been really, really generous with their free updates? WTF? Talk about raining on someone else's parade.

[juffi]

Its the same like in the Cubase and Spectrasonic Update discussion! I am interested in this arpeggiator and now i am really quite shocked that compyfox derails this thread as well.

I'm a Steinberg user for over 20 years at this point, and I've seen/experienced things that others may have hot. And regarding Spectrasonics (I'm also almost at 10 years with their VSTi, longer with their sample range), I commented on the (IMO!) nonsense-argumentation regarding the "buy Omni v1 now, get Omni v2 free" and even defended Spectrasonics for going that route (their update politics are exceptional as well, btw).

What the heck are you up to compyfox?

"The same thing I do every night... Trying to take over the wor..." - oh wait, this is not the super villain forum, sorry.

Why all that poison? Never met a person on a forum that is so much negative.

A couple of friends of mine talk to me about this at odd times. And they don't necessarily see it that way (meaning: poising or negativity). They told me that I am more on the lines of a "devil's advocate", the (uncomfortable) voice of reason, the person that thinks "further", "outside the box", "looks beyond the blinders", talks about things that others don't (since it's uncomfortable). Something that people don't want to hear or even like, sometimes even strongly defend from their point of view since "it's not existing/it can't be happening". (been there myself, several times)

But if anything, it's food for thought - a different viewpoint and/or opinion on a particular topic. And this can of course cause a lot of commotion.


This is all I did here.
Try to get to the bottom of something - and it kicked off a (or rather: the usual) sh!tstorm.

Again, YMMV.

Yeah , what a beautiful mind....NOT. And you always express, how RIGHT you are even if you talk "uncomfortable". Well i am a Steinberg user for 20 years as well. Your problem is whenever a paid update is out, you are talking being a "beta user " or "paid beta" whatsoever . Could you name me any serious daw, instrument or effect that is 100% perfect without bugs right from the start or when a next big update is out? i am very interested in that.

If YOU don't want fast updates , doesn't mean that the rest of world don't like fast updates. But you talking like this, you are now the biggest Audio engineer with the best knowledge of everything and the rest of the world has to follow your suggestions. I mean IF you were a serious engineer you would have better things to do than pestering the Internet with your "Armageddon scenarios"

[Compyfox]

... - another free bump I'd say.

Well then, post on THEIR threads, about THEIR products.

I did, and it wasn't acceptable either.
Make up your mind, please.

Yeah , what a beautiful mind....NOT. And you always express, how RIGHT you are even if you talk "uncomfortable". Well i am a Steinberg user for 20 years as well. Your problem is whenever a paid update is out, you are talking being a "beta user " or "paid beta" whatsoever . Could you name me any serious daw, instrument or effect that is 100% perfect without bugs right from the start or when a next big update is out? i am very interested in that.

This is not a Steinberg thread - if you want to talk to me about this, my PMs are functioning. Else I made my points clear more than once (with backed up reasons as to why) in the appropriate threads.

If YOU don't want fast updates , doesn't mean that the rest of world don't like fast updates.

Sadly, another comment that that focuses only certain bullet points and go off on it rather than reading and understand "what" I wrote. Even more OT, even more quote pyramids. This is only frustrating to others. And it's slowly starting to frustrate myself as well.

But you talking like this, you are now the biggest Audio engineer with the best knowledge of everything and the rest of the world has to follow your suggestions. I mean IF you were a serious engineer you would have better things to do than pestering the Internet with your "Armageddon scenarios"

Now this is getting a little bit personal. Please use a PM - or if you think that my posts are violating the board rules, there is an exclamation mark in a red circle as button to "report" my posts.



Have a nice remaining Sunday.

[basslinemaster]

... - another free bump I'd say.

Well then, post on THEIR threads, about THEIR products.

I did, and it wasn't acceptable either.
Make up your mind, please.

What do you mean, "it wasn't acceptable either" - so you think it's better to come to this thread and spout your Doomsday scenario about SquareHeads' product instead? Unbelievable.

[Compyfox]

I think I answered your comment suitable enough (read the answer to your comment and it's relation again).


Else you've got two options as well:
Stop the OT stuff and PM me, then I'll take the time and we can discuss this further.
Or use the board's report function if you think that my posts violate the board rules.

[Shabdahbriah]

This:

I am simply blown away by the scope of this upgrade, the way you listen to users and bass your development on their requests, and to think that you're doing this as a free upgrade! Incredible. Thank you so much. I can't wait to get my hands on this version!

Couldn't agree more! I'm glad I got in on this early, and have thoroughly enjoyed watching and experiencing its development. GREAT app!!!

[Shabdahbriah]

This:

I am simply blown away by the scope of this upgrade, the way you listen to users and base your development on their requests, and to think that you're doing this as a free upgrade! Incredible. Thank you so much. I can't wait to get my hands on this version!

Couldn't agree more! I'm glad I got in on this early, and have thoroughly enjoyed watching and experiencing its development. GREAT app!!!