I don't feel the same, but for taste there is nothing writtenEvilDragon wrote:Zebra Redux skin whoops the ass of this Pokemod skin.
Zebra3 Info
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- KVRist
- 247 posts since 17 Jan, 2015 from la: 46.573912° lo: 13.602650°
Do you have an ETA of that update?
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- KVRer
- 29 posts since 31 Mar, 2015 from Welland, Ontario, Canada
I can't express how much I love Zebra and Dark Zebra is amazing, I am working
on a preset bank for zebra plus I get Zebra 3 for free because I have Dark Zebra
plus Zebra so looks like I'm a happy customer here in Canada.
on a preset bank for zebra plus I get Zebra 3 for free because I have Dark Zebra
plus Zebra so looks like I'm a happy customer here in Canada.
"Art is the fundamental language of expression, it piers into our souls and moves us, Music is Art...it surrounds us." - Joel Bisson
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- KVRer
- 25 posts since 22 May, 2013
Hi, not sure this is the right place to make feature suggestions for Zebra3, but here I go: I have looked into Oddity2 recently and saw they have added the XLFO and XADSR features, which are basically LFO and ADSR that can be applied individually to almost any parameter of the synth. This opens a great amount of modulation possibilities. Would this be great to find that type of feature into Zebra3?
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
Not sure - we'll think about it. Personally, I find adding individual LFOs and envelopes to each and every modulation target "overkill" - sharing modulation sources often results in a more organic, natural sound... and is certainly more manageable!oli67 wrote:Hi, not sure this is the right place to make feature suggestions for Zebra3, but here I go: I have looked into Oddity2 recently and saw they have added the XLFO and XADSR features, which are basically LFO and ADSR that can be applied individually to almost any parameter of the synth. This opens a great amount of modulation possibilities. Would this be great to find that type of feature into Zebra3?
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- KVRAF
- 12013 posts since 12 May, 2008
I agree with this. I think the concept is kind of cool with simple synths like Oddity or Minimonsta but actually you end up with a lot of unused modulators. I think it's far better with a modular synth like Zebra to just do what it does and have a bunch of Envelopes and lfo's and assign them as needed.Howard wrote:Not sure - we'll think about it. Personally, I find adding individual LFOs and envelopes to each and every modulation target "overkill" - sharing modulation sources often results in a more organic, natural sound... and is certainly more manageable!oli67 wrote:Hi, not sure this is the right place to make feature suggestions for Zebra3, but here I go: I have looked into Oddity2 recently and saw they have added the XLFO and XADSR features, which are basically LFO and ADSR that can be applied individually to almost any parameter of the synth. This opens a great amount of modulation possibilities. Would this be great to find that type of feature into Zebra3?
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- KVRian
- 1112 posts since 26 Jun, 2008 from Czech Republic
I'm crappy programmer, but imho you don't need to have instances of unused modulators present. You can create them just in case of use. Difference is in philosophy. When each knob has it's own modulators, sharing them is cumbersome, so I also agree with Howard.
...on the other side, I like what Alchemy had. You could create new and new instances, I believe there was no limit in count of LFO/ADSRs you could create. I think that could be cool for Zebra. ...but it probably takes a lot of integrity work unter the hood, so absence of this is understandable.
...on the other side, I like what Alchemy had. You could create new and new instances, I believe there was no limit in count of LFO/ADSRs you could create. I think that could be cool for Zebra. ...but it probably takes a lot of integrity work unter the hood, so absence of this is understandable.
Evovled into noctucat...
http://www.noctucat.com/
http://www.noctucat.com/
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
^ Absolute freedom doesn't present any interesting challenges - I prefer grappling with limitations!
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- KVRian
- 1112 posts since 26 Jun, 2008 from Czech Republic
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- KVRAF
- 5201 posts since 16 Nov, 2014
I would be happy with endless LFO's. Most synths have way to less for me. (I only find a little iPad synth which can do this).
Another question... after all the time is this still sure that i get Zebra 3 for free (if it ever comes
when i buy Zebra 2 and the Dark Zebra?
Another question... after all the time is this still sure that i get Zebra 3 for free (if it ever comes
when i buy Zebra 2 and the Dark Zebra?-
- KVRAF
- 1796 posts since 4 Sep, 2011 from England
That's Zebra? nice skin that's how I imagine Zebra 3 will look.goleat wrote:I would like a skin like this:
to zebra3 an exclusive panel for oscillators and minimatrix on the front panel
Seen in: http://plugmon.org/zebra-pokemod/
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- Banned
- 22 posts since 22 Dec, 2014
Dont think so...goleat wrote:Granular synthesis in zebra3?
A lot of Caveman lobby here to keep things "simple and analog"
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- KVRAF
- 2911 posts since 3 Mar, 2006
zebra is already not a VA... u-he makes other synths for that.
I don't know if granular is where I would take it but the more expansion to the wavetable functionality the better imo (and those osc fx! they're the best part!)
I don't know if granular is where I would take it but the more expansion to the wavetable functionality the better imo (and those osc fx! they're the best part!)
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- KVRAF
- 1959 posts since 21 Sep, 2007 from The Infinite Void
So if anyone remembers, i caused a minor stir in this thread a couple of months back offering some rather superficial criticisms of Zebra2. In my defence, i was clearly and knowingly referring to first impressions, and in that regard i stand by what i said, especially considering the chances of new user jumping on from Hive.
I still find the GUI horrible and dated, I'm happily using Redux (UDH) instead though so problem solved.
I still consider Howard's factory presets a little dated sounding. Closer inspection leads me to think this is in many cases due to reverbs and delays being mixed in low. While this probably helps to make the sounds ready to fit in the mix better, they do lose the wow factor that the like of Spire or Hive presets clearly have. It's this that i think makes them sound "dated" for want of a better word. Nevertheless, he's made some great comprehensive sounds there which will fit many uses and with a bit more processing could easily be brought in line with an equivalent Spire patch (more on this later).
That said, I think perhaps having an entire factory bank designed by one person is probably not the best idea. No matter how good a designer is, much of his work will to some extent be characteristic of his sound. I could say the same for many others. So here perhaps, Zebra suffers in that it really only shows what one man can do with it. The flavours, styles and characteristics of a few other designers would surely help to show a greater depth to the synth upon that all important first listen.
Anyway, I've not come here to revive an old debate. At the time, i considered myself unqualified to discuss sound quality, complexity and depth. Now though, I do. First sound quality, after playing around with Spire for a short time, loading up zebra and playing a few things, the (subjective) difference in quality is outstanding, with Zebra sounding cleaner, purer and generally more pleasant. Spire still has its immediacy in usabiliity but that seems to me the only significant reason why i'd choose Spire over Zebra within a project.
As for complexity, seriously amazing, I'm finding so many things that i would never expect (specifically in the oscfx), and while its no Bazille it does indeed feel and act in a very full-modular way. I think its fair to say i could live with this one synth and never run out of ideas.
So what's the point of all this, well those first impressions could be enough to deter potential buyers, especially those from an EDM persuasion. I recall urs said a new skin was planned before v3, 2.8 perhaps? This would be a great thing, might i suggest that you look seriously at redux as a template for the ideal layout, it improves on the original in so many ways. This one: http://plugmon.org/zebra-pokemod/ looks nice, especially the modules, but is still rather small and (for me) the demo seems buggy.
Main request for v3 though is presets for each module. This would open a world of time-limited sound design potential and make it a lot easier to copy one module (reverb say) onto another instance in a track.
A few have suggested granular, I'm not so sure here (although it would be nice), i think its good to focus on the entirely rendered nature of Zebra sound generation.
Better detune, like Hive's various types would be an obvious addition.
Aside from that just keep the minor revisions coming, I'm in no hurry for v3, but will be keen to see the planned skin update.
tl:dr. I said before it seemed a bit dated on first impressions and singled out the GUI and presets, having dug much deeper i can now fully appreciate the synth's quality and potential, far more than one would initially expect from such an old looking synth with a patchbank made entirely by one man. I followed that up with a few suggestions for v3.
I still find the GUI horrible and dated, I'm happily using Redux (UDH) instead though so problem solved.
I still consider Howard's factory presets a little dated sounding. Closer inspection leads me to think this is in many cases due to reverbs and delays being mixed in low. While this probably helps to make the sounds ready to fit in the mix better, they do lose the wow factor that the like of Spire or Hive presets clearly have. It's this that i think makes them sound "dated" for want of a better word. Nevertheless, he's made some great comprehensive sounds there which will fit many uses and with a bit more processing could easily be brought in line with an equivalent Spire patch (more on this later).
That said, I think perhaps having an entire factory bank designed by one person is probably not the best idea. No matter how good a designer is, much of his work will to some extent be characteristic of his sound. I could say the same for many others. So here perhaps, Zebra suffers in that it really only shows what one man can do with it. The flavours, styles and characteristics of a few other designers would surely help to show a greater depth to the synth upon that all important first listen.
Anyway, I've not come here to revive an old debate. At the time, i considered myself unqualified to discuss sound quality, complexity and depth. Now though, I do. First sound quality, after playing around with Spire for a short time, loading up zebra and playing a few things, the (subjective) difference in quality is outstanding, with Zebra sounding cleaner, purer and generally more pleasant. Spire still has its immediacy in usabiliity but that seems to me the only significant reason why i'd choose Spire over Zebra within a project.
As for complexity, seriously amazing, I'm finding so many things that i would never expect (specifically in the oscfx), and while its no Bazille it does indeed feel and act in a very full-modular way. I think its fair to say i could live with this one synth and never run out of ideas.
So what's the point of all this, well those first impressions could be enough to deter potential buyers, especially those from an EDM persuasion. I recall urs said a new skin was planned before v3, 2.8 perhaps? This would be a great thing, might i suggest that you look seriously at redux as a template for the ideal layout, it improves on the original in so many ways. This one: http://plugmon.org/zebra-pokemod/ looks nice, especially the modules, but is still rather small and (for me) the demo seems buggy.
Main request for v3 though is presets for each module. This would open a world of time-limited sound design potential and make it a lot easier to copy one module (reverb say) onto another instance in a track.
A few have suggested granular, I'm not so sure here (although it would be nice), i think its good to focus on the entirely rendered nature of Zebra sound generation.
Better detune, like Hive's various types would be an obvious addition.
Aside from that just keep the minor revisions coming, I'm in no hurry for v3, but will be keen to see the planned skin update.
tl:dr. I said before it seemed a bit dated on first impressions and singled out the GUI and presets, having dug much deeper i can now fully appreciate the synth's quality and potential, far more than one would initially expect from such an old looking synth with a patchbank made entirely by one man. I followed that up with a few suggestions for v3.