KVR Audio

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:32 pm

Numanoid wrote:
cwig wrote:I'm lazy, and the article heading was all caps, so there you go.
If you are lazy, why did you bother to post at all?

Maybe the alternative was sit-ups or a marathon, etc

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:33 pm

Compyfox wrote:If "normal" users are branded to even talk about Warez - why should the big acts get away with it IMO?!

I agree - nobody should get away with it. But, it isn't really piracy IMO if a user owns the license, although it is a pretty stupid and irresponsible/lazy thing to do (i.e., using the cracked version in a video tutorial).

It's funny how these threads always focus on the artists and the developers, but rarely discuss the real culprits: Team Air et al. and the warez sites. If people are really as outraged about the piracy issue as they pretend to be on forums, you'd see more discussion about ways to shut down/curtail the cracking and distribution of the pirated software. It suggests to me that the issue may have more to do with hatred of the artists than the piracy itself.

She Changed Her Mind · Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:42 pm

cryophonik wrote:
Compyfox wrote:If "normal" users are branded to even talk about Warez - why should the big acts get away with it IMO?!
I agree - nobody should get away with it. But, it isn't really piracy IMO if a user owns the license, although it is a pretty stupid and irresponsible/lazy thing to do (i.e., using the cracked version in a video tutorial).

It's funny how these threads always focus on the artists and the developers, but rarely discuss the real culprits: Team Air et al. and the warez sites. If people are really as outraged about the piracy issue as they pretend to be on forums, you'd see more discussion about ways to shut down/curtail the cracking and distribution of the pirated software. It suggests to me that the issue may have more to do with hatred of the artists than the piracy itself.

Your last sentence just blew your whole comment IMHO. That's all.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:42 pm

Compyfox wrote:Now this seems to blow up big time. !

Why? because of 2 topics on KVR forum? As cryophonic wrote, it isn't up to any of us anyway, and noone here is harmed. It's on Lennardigital to decide what they're going to do with it.

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:17 pm

This isn't much of a topic. Synths are like 100$, they're rich. Are you saying you look up to them as people?

It was just a caps lock frenzy.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:27 pm

For gear manufactureres, that some star is using their merchandise is free publicity.

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:28 pm

Numanoid wrote:For gear manufactureres, that some star is using their merchandise is free publicity.

Well arsehole's do resemble stars from a distance.

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:30 pm

You can be a big star and rich still without the endorsements.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:35 pm

FarleyCZ wrote:Don't forget to add Steve Aoki.
Even if I believe their "I do have legit copy somewhere!" explanation, the main problem is that it sets bad example for youngsters. This is a silent, visual piracy approval by successful idols. It's just wrong.

So now musicians are responsible for the education of other people's children? Always blame someone else, is that what you were taught to do?

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:49 pm

T-CM11 wrote:
FarleyCZ wrote:Don't forget to add Steve Aoki.
Even if I believe their "I do have legit copy somewhere!" explanation, the main problem is that it sets bad example for youngsters. This is a silent, visual piracy approval by successful idols. It's just wrong.
So now musicians are responsible for the education of other people's children? Always blame someone else, is that what you were taught to do?

I see your point and I agree, but I also believe in the "it takes a village to raise a child" philosophy. The artists surely know better than to use pirated software in videos that are going to be seen by thousands or millions of impressionable young people and they should be responsible enough to make sure that they're using legit software or, at a minimum, blurring out the ID, which is probably good practice for legit users anyway.

2ZrgE · Post by **2ZrgE** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:51 pm

FarleyCZ wrote:Don't forget to add Steve Aoki.
Even if I believe their "I do have legit copy somewhere!" explanation, the main problem is that it sets bad example for youngsters. This is a silent, visual piracy approval by successful idols. It's just wrong.

Of course it's always the care for the youngsters.

And if those crack users are rich and famous, it's most welcome for a lot of people to jump on the envy driven bandwagon and let lose their inner lynch mob when in other cases they presumably wouldn't care at all..

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:53 pm

Agreed-musicians can be weird, but we don't need to be immoral. I'm totally legal, and non-greedy. I just want what my timecard says I earned.

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:02 pm

cryophonik wrote: I agree - nobody should get away with it. IR.But, it isn't really piracy IMO if a user owns the license, although it is a pretty stupid and irresponsible/lazy thing to do (i.e., using the cracked version in a video tutorial).

Um, no, it actually it is piracy. Owning a legitimate license of a product does not mean it is legal to go download, install, and use a copy of that product which is licensed to someone else, particularly one that is cracked and licensed to Team AIR. Downloading and using cracked software is illegal, period. I don't care if they bought a hundred licenses, that still doesn't make it legal to use a stolen license. Whether or not the developer cares is another issue entirely, but don't confuse the two. Calling it "stupid" or "lazy" to use a crack when they also own a legitimate license distracts from the truth, which is that using the crack is ILLEGAL.

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:10 pm

deastman wrote:
cryophonik wrote: I agree - nobody should get away with it. IR.But, it isn't really piracy IMO if a user owns the license, although it is a pretty stupid and irresponsible/lazy thing to do (i.e., using the cracked version in a video tutorial).
Um, no, it actually it is piracy. Owning a legitimate license of a product does mean it is legal to go download, install, and use a copy of that product which is licensed to someone else, particularly one that is cracked and licensed to Team AIR. Downloading and using cracked software is illegal, period. I don't care if they bought a hundred licenses, that still doesn't make it legal to use a stolen license. Whether or not the developer cares is another issue entirely, but don't confuse the two. Calling it "stupid" or "lazy" to use a crack when they also own a legitimate license distracts from the truth, which is that using the crack is ILLEGAL.

Yeah, your're right, it is illegal/piracy by definition and I should have written that better. I guess what I meant to convey is that it's not really harming the developer (referring specifically to Lennard) if the artist has indeed purchased the license and he's OK with it (stupidity of using the cracked version aside).

She Changed Her Mind · Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:16 pm

In fact Lennar Digital (as dumb as they are) states: 'it's not a problem when you use cracked software', and now it comes: 'as long as you do actually want to promote us and buy the software WHEN you actually DID promote us!'
There is no room for interpretation here. Rich or poor.
Don't tell me that is NOT some arrogant statement. These guys make money way too simple, but that's another topic.

AVICII AND OTHER DJS PRODUCE HITS USING PIRATED SOFTWARE