KVR Audio

kokotte · Post by **kokotte** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:33 pm

hi,
i would like to try the beta on osx 10.6.8 but i can t open the app, i have an error msg and i can choose between console( the image can t be found) or terminate, i have copy the app in application folder

dsan@mail.com · Post by **dsan@mail.com** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:03 pm

It needs OSX 10.7 or above and a 64 bit processor kokotte.

Happy Musiking!
dsan

hauke · Post by **hauke** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:04 pm

Hi kokotte,

Sundog requires at least Mac OS X 10.7.0 (64bit) to run. I am afraid that it won't run on your system then :/.

Edit: dsan was faster

Best regards,
Hauke

dsan@mail.com · Post by **dsan@mail.com** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:10 pm

Sorry Hauke - thought you may be busy or getting ready for the sand man

Should have known better

Happy Musiking!
dsan

hauke · Post by **hauke** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:19 pm

dsan: Ha, no - I'm very happy that you replied

! The sand man is waiting for me indeed

.

(Darn.. now I can't get the sand man film melody out of my head

)

Musical Gym · Post by **Musical Gym** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:32 pm

Just think of a great classic like Sugar Sugar and you'll be fine.

dsan@mail.com · Post by **dsan@mail.com** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:26 pm

Hauke,
Hope the sandman was gentle with you.

While you were messing with him I ran across a couple of things in the 2.0 beta.

MIDI clock sync is not working correctly with Live 9.

Symptom 1 - Sundog will start Live's transport when play started in Sundog but will not stop Live's transport when playback stopped in Sundog. (Sundog as master clock).

EDIT: Conversely, Live will start/stop Sundog playback. I suppose one could use Live as the master.

Setup: MIDI over LAN (rptMIDI)
Computer 1 - Vista SP2, Core 2 Quad Q9300 @ 2.5 GHz, 64 bit OS, 6Gb RAM, Sundog Studio beta
Computer 2 - W7 SP1, Core i5 750 @ 2.67 GHz, 64 bit OS, 8Gb RAM, Live 9

Sundog preferences set-up:
MIDI Out Device - rptMIDI
MIDI In Device - not set*
Receive MIDI Clock Sync from Device - rptMIDI
Send MIDI Clock Sync - On

Symptom 2 - * - If I set MIDI In Device to rptMIDI then Receive MIDI Clock Sync loses its setting. rptMIDI has the ability to port in and out and works fine when using Rapid Composer, Band-in-a-Box and other similar programs.

And now a much needed FR - Undo will be very useful especially in the sequencer area. If I drag a line on a note and then decide I need it someplace else and then decide no it was better where it was....well you get my meaning.

EDIT: FR #2 - A scroll bar in addition to the arrows will be much faster to scroll the time line inside the sequencer and will be much appreciated.

Thanks very much!

Happy Musiking!
dsan

lnikj · Post by **lnikj** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:27 am

Am I correct in thinking that the longest a sound (e.g. a pad or texture) can last without retriggering is 4 bars?

hauke · Post by **hauke** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:03 am

dsan@mail.com wrote:Hauke,
Hope the sandman was gentle with you.

Musical Gym wrote:Just think of a great classic like Sugar Sugar and you'll be fine.

Hehe, yep, everything was fine. I settled for Qxygene by J.M. Jarre and the other melodies stopped

.

dsan@mail.com wrote: MIDI clock sync is not working correctly with Live 9.

Symptom 1 - Sundog will start Live's transport when play started in Sundog but will not stop Live's transport when playback stopped in Sundog. (Sundog as master clock).

EDIT: Conversely, Live will start/stop Sundog playback. I suppose one could use Live as the master.

Hmm.. interesting. I will have to check this on Windows on Monday. Right now I only have a MacBook with me, and here Sundog both starts and stops Live without problems (Sundog as master clock).

Live as the master: Yes, this should work flawlessly. I hope

. When "song mode" is active then Sundog should also sync to the timeline of the DAW.

dsan@mail.com wrote: Setup: MIDI over LAN (rptMIDI)
Symptom 2 - * - If I set MIDI In Device to rptMIDI then Receive MIDI Clock Sync loses its setting. rptMIDI has the ability to port in and out and works fine when using Rapid Composer, Band-in-a-Box and other similar programs.

Thanks, I will install rtpMIDI and see what I can do!

dsan@mail.com wrote: And now a much needed FR - Undo will be very useful especially in the sequencer area. [...]

It's on my list

. First I thought that I could implement it in 2.0 as well, but a good undo/redo system is certainly an area with some pitfalls, so I concentrated on the other features first.

dsan@mail.com wrote: EDIT: FR #2 - A scroll bar in addition to the arrows will be much faster to scroll the time line inside the sequencer and will be much appreciated.

Thanks, this is a good idea

! I will add it to the list.
BTW: You can also use your mouse wheel to scroll.
Mouse wheel = vertical scroll.
Mouse wheel + Ctrl = horizontal scroll.

Thanks a lot for your report, this was very valuable

Cheers,
Hauke

hauke · Post by **hauke** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:08 am

lnikj wrote:Am I correct in thinking that the longest a sound (e.g. a pad or texture) can last without retriggering is 4 bars?

Yes and no: You could set the length of the song part to 8, 12, or 16 bars. But after that the sound will have to retrigger.

lnikj · Post by **lnikj** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:11 am

hauke wrote:
lnikj wrote:Am I correct in thinking that the longest a sound (e.g. a pad or texture) can last without retriggering is 4 bars?
Yes and no: You could set the length of the song part to 8, 12, or 16 bars. But after that the sound will have to retrigger.

I'm probably doing something stupid then … but if I set it to 16 bars, and 64 steps in the pattern editor, with a single note sounding on step 1, then that step will retrigger 4 times during the 16 bars?

hauke · Post by **hauke** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:17 am

lnikj wrote: I'm probably doing something stupid then … but if I set it to 16 bars, and 64 steps in the pattern editor, with a single note sounding on step 1, then that step will retrigger 4 times during the 16 bars?

Ah, I see! Please do this:
* Set the pattern to "Off" (simply load the first preset in the list).
* Set the song part to 16 steps.
* Draw a long line in the editor.

Now Sundog should play back the note just once in the beginning.

lnikj · Post by **lnikj** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:24 am

Told you … stupidity

hauke · Post by **hauke** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:38 am

lnikj wrote:

Told you … stupidity

Nah... it's always good to hear where I need to explain more

. Thanks again!

neinneinnein · Post by **neinneinnein** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:45 am

Really useful application (still trying to figure out channels versus patterns, versus instruments, this does not seem to correspond to channels in DAW...).

In general, maybe an option to play standard sounds by the app itself and then export the midi file would make use more flexible (file could be generated on computer even without any DAW and file moved to whatever device and the song further edited there (e.g. in Cubasis on iPad or whatever)).

Sundog Scale Studio 2.0 BETA out now