Omnisphere 2 is here! (yes, it's really here!)

[Caine123]

And I never to my recollection called it a ROMpler ONLY

I can't think of one rompler I've had that didn't have synth capabilities.
But it never stopped anyone from calling it a rompler.
And why does it matter?
Except in some oversensitive reaction that claims it an ad hominem that's its not.

and sadly you dont reply to me directly and dont reply to my question instead making some overall statement i expected more now and a direct discussion.... seems you dont wanna educate me and tell me why it's no VA Synth....

Well, I wasn't dismissing it. I would call it a rompler with more than one engine though. Simplicity in discussing would be calling it a rompler though, but it unfortunately doesn't set a common ground so that further discussion happens (as it should). It took me months to get past the rhetoric to find out more about the product. Mostly because questioning can be seen as offensive with the same stock of immunized answers being levied against them.

As far as a VA. I have no problem with the term as a set of being virtual. One however could ask, "what is producing that sine?" and then the term breaks down also, except by being a virtual representation more than analog itself. Where are those sines stored?

yes i also asked this myself when the term rompler came up. but at the same time i asked myself how other synths do it? e.g. let's tale sylenth1, it has also stored the sine, saw etc. somewhere. so is it a VA synth or not? again no bashing attended i try to follow your thoughts as i also asked this myself. is sylenth1 generating the sine? if not is it still a synth?
my take is that VSTs with set sine/saw etc. have this somewhere stored the info in the code compressed or whatever, unlike wavetable synths which have WAVs etc. which are open normally to see.

[noiseboyuk]

Where's that flogging a dead horse icon when you need it?

Huge rom-based sample sources - check. Ability to mangle them out of all recognition - check. Separate huge VA section - check. Layer any of that together - check. Still, it pleases some people to still call it a ROMpler, even though the most you could ever rationally argue is that it is only part-ROMpler (and then you'd have to have the boring discussion on how limiting a ROMpler has to be to qualify for that term). Been here many times before, and the same few people keep the same boring discussion going (and here I am being boring as well having to point out the bleedin' obvious yet again).

Meanwhile, Omni 2. Eric said in Twitter yesterday they're on schedule, but no more videos until after release because they're so full-on. I for one don't need to see or hear anything else, though always just plain curious of course. The nice thing is there's no artificial intro discount, so anyone who still isn't convinced can take their own time to make up their mind with no penalty. Not me mind, I'll be crashing those servers on the 30th along with a few thousand others.

[BBFG#]

And I never to my recollection called it a ROMpler ONLY

I can't think of one rompler I've had that didn't have synth capabilities.
But it never stopped anyone from calling it a rompler.
And why does it matter?
Except in some oversensitive reaction that claims it an ad hominem that's its not.

and sadly you dont reply to me directly and dont reply to my question instead making some overall statement i expected more now and a direct discussion.... seems you dont wanna educate me and tell me why it's no VA Synth....

Well, I wasn't dismissing it. I would call it a rompler with more than one engine though. Simplicity in discussing would be calling it a rompler though, but it unfortunately doesn't set a common ground so that further discussion happens (as it should). It took me months to get past the rhetoric to find out more about the product. Mostly because questioning can be seen as offensive with the same stock of immunized answers being levied against them.

As far as a VA. I have no problem with the term as a set of being virtual. One however could ask, "what is producing that sine?" and then the term breaks down also, except by being a virtual representation more than analog itself. Where are those sines stored?

yes i also asked this myself when the term rompler came up. but at the same time i asked myself how other synths do it? e.g. let's tale sylenth1, it has also stored the sine, saw etc. somewhere. so is it a VA synth or not? again no bashing attended i try to follow your thoughts as i also asked this myself. is sylenth1 generating the sine? if not is it still a synth?
my take is that VSTs with set sine/saw etc. have this somewhere stored the info in the code compressed or whatever, unlike wavetable synths which have WAVs etc. which are open normally to see.

Yes, it is. But the emphasis is on the V (virtual)

[Caine123]

And I never to my recollection called it a ROMpler ONLY

I can't think of one rompler I've had that didn't have synth capabilities.
But it never stopped anyone from calling it a rompler.
And why does it matter?
Except in some oversensitive reaction that claims it an ad hominem that's its not.

and sadly you dont reply to me directly and dont reply to my question instead making some overall statement i expected more now and a direct discussion.... seems you dont wanna educate me and tell me why it's no VA Synth....

Well, I wasn't dismissing it. I would call it a rompler with more than one engine though. Simplicity in discussing would be calling it a rompler though, but it unfortunately doesn't set a common ground so that further discussion happens (as it should). It took me months to get past the rhetoric to find out more about the product. Mostly because questioning can be seen as offensive with the same stock of immunized answers being levied against them.

As far as a VA. I have no problem with the term as a set of being virtual. One however could ask, "what is producing that sine?" and then the term breaks down also, except by being a virtual representation more than analog itself. Where are those sines stored?

yes i also asked this myself when the term rompler came up. but at the same time i asked myself how other synths do it? e.g. let's tale sylenth1, it has also stored the sine, saw etc. somewhere. so is it a VA synth or not? again no bashing attended i try to follow your thoughts as i also asked this myself. is sylenth1 generating the sine? if not is it still a synth?
my take is that VSTs with set sine/saw etc. have this somewhere stored the info in the code compressed or whatever, unlike wavetable synths which have WAVs etc. which are open normally to see.

Yes, it is. But the emphasis is on the V (virtual)

ok so then omnisphere is a VA synth as well . cause it features also the oscs (sylenth1 names it osc in omnisphere it is just called synth/tab = osc).

[firepile]

[BBFG#]

... call it a ROMpler, even though the most you could ever rationally argue is that it is only part-ROMpler (and then you'd have to have the boring discussion on how limiting a ROMpler has to be to qualify for that term).

My memory seems faulty there.
Maybe you could list for me which 'ROMplers' were only pure ROMplers (no filters, lfos, etc.)

I see the term ROMpler as being the major part of those instruments, and with Omni having 43GB of those in ROM, I do consider that to be major.
I do agree that the belief that it is somehow limiting seems to be a non-sequitur.

After these threads I tend to forget there is more on the feature list than samples and a VA though.

And while it has those other 'synths' too, they're all covered in the term, "ROMpler".

[wagtunes]

Here's the "definition" of a synthesizer

an electronic musical instrument, typically operated by a keyboard, producing a wide variety of sounds by generating and combining signals of different frequencies.

So the question is, does Omnisphere produce a wide variety of sounds by generating and combining signals of different frequencies?

Because I don't really know the science behind how Omnisphere works, I can't answer this.

It would be interesting to find out if Omnisphere, or for that matter a lot of "accepted" synths, fit this definition.

I can definitely say with 100% certainty that these following products are synthesizers according to this definition. All hardware.

MiniMoog
ARP Odyssey
Oberheim 4 Voice

Omnisphere? No clue.

[Caine123]

here are facts now someone can correct me if im wrong! to stop those rompler vs. synth discussion.

- omnisphere is clearly a rompler and synth, it has both
- rompler part/samples = soundsources en masse!
- synth = various waveforms chooseable
- you can see that you can change the shapes of each waveform

if someone wants to discuss if omnisphere is generating the waveforms then please discuss it for other synths like sylenth1 etc..... so is sylenth1 a rompler cause you dont know if it's generating the waveforms from 010101010010s?

......

i dunno how REAL VSTs (lol REAL vsts...) work or are legit for people here, if you can generate waveforms or if they need to be in some format as a file (WAV etc.)... so this should be first cleared otherwise all VSTs are romplers cause they have no real juice lol

[BBFG#]

Here's the "definition" of a synthesizer
Omnisphere? No clue.

Interesting.
From my beginnings of synthesis it was more about electronic oscillations run through stages to represent natural and unnatural sounds. One thing they used to teach was even though you could synthetically reproduce a natural instrument, the oscilloscopes always proved they were not. So samplers stepped in and took 'snapshots' to do it. And then they stepped in and took snapshots of the synthesizer oscillators too.

It's like bugs and insects.
I see all romplers as synths but not all synths as romplers.

Maybe we should just call them all audio-regurgitaters.

[wagtunes]

Here's the "definition" of a synthesizer
Omnisphere? No clue.

Interesting.
From my beginnings of synthesis it was more about electronic oscillations run through stages to represent natural and unnatural sounds. One thing they used to teach was even though you could synthetically reproduce a natural instrument, the oscilloscopes always proved they were not. So samplers stepped in and took 'snapshots' to do it. And then they stepped in and took snapshots of the synthesizer oscillators too.

It's like bugs and insects.
I see all romplers as synths but not all synths as romplers.

Maybe we should just call them all audio-regurgitaters.

I honestly don't know what to make of all this "terminology" as it applies to today's instruments. I grew up during a time when there wasn't such a thing as a rompler or any rom based instrument. We had Moogs and ARPs and Oberheims. It was all analog and it was all oscillators and it was all clear as day.

Today? Damned if I know.

Personally? I couldn't care less. All that matters to me is how it sounds. Do I like the sound? Can I use it in my music? Can I get lots of different sounds?

Honestly, if somebody came up to me and said you can choose between two "synths", a Minimoog or Omnisphere to make all your music with, which would you choose? It would be no contest. A Minimoog is limited to what it can do. There is only so much "music" I'm getting out of it, even if it IS a 100% synthesizer. With Omnisphere, there is virtually nothing I can't do.

But, whatever. As somebody already said. Can we beat this horse to death anymore than we already have?

[BBFG#]

I 'grew' up with the same, although Korgs (made by Univox) and Rolands were available pretty quick also. The first sampler I played with came around '83-'84 for me and sampling was strictly something I did for customers since I couldn't afford one myself.

Given the choice between any of the old stuff and any of the new stuff, I would probably go with the new a majority of the time. Because Roland has reach a point with me that I don't really care for their new models, I would even add that given a choice between Omni and an Integra, the choice would easily be Omni.
Yeah, bottom line, it's always ultimately about the sound first.

Funny that what brought it up was just saying it was probably the worse thing I ever said about it in certain people's eyes. Definitely a kinetic reaction when that word is said...

[lnikj]

I would call Omni2 a 'Hybrid Synth', and I might be persuaded to call Omni1 the same, though I am certainly not offended by it being called a ROMpler. Whatever you want to call it, it is a bl**dy good instantiation of its categorisation.

It is possible to own it and love it, as I do, yet reasonably discuss its merits and refrain from ad hominems. This is a forum for discussion after all.

[Gamma-UT]

And I often get much better deals for physical products from Best Service (Germany) or even Audio Deluxe (Tennessee?) than I would from say, JRRShop. Such is the nature of taxes, vat and fees.

So, in your hunt for a 'best deal' you found the most expensive options and quoted them in this thread? Shopping: UR DOIN IT RONG.

That is, of course, if you're shopping and not simply indulging in some tiresome tyre-kicking exercise.

[damayor]

people are really arguing, screen shooting, debating and bickering over if this is a rompler or va? who cares? we aren't the developers make music and enjoy it. I am ready for this rompler/va/synth/sampler etc to be released so while you guys are bickering on what color the program actually is I will be having fun making music.

[2ZrgE]

people are really arguing, screen shooting, debating and bickering over if this is a rompler or va? who cares?

Well I don't, but it's a bit like saying "you're an idiot" when you are not.

Calling Omnishpere a rompler is just a false statement, from people who either do not know better or or just want to spread false information (whatever the reason behind that may be).