KVR Audio

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:02 pm

noiseboyuk wrote: Whole thing is well worth a read, but this is the most relevant paragraph right at the end:
We've got things in the works for Trilian, and also RMX - we haven't forgotten about rhythm! - so there's a long future for all the things we do. And there'll be new instruments, too - not just the three we've done, but new ones.

Good to know. I'll be waiting to see what they do with Trilian.
I spent a couple of hours demoing it the other day and I did enjoy the play-ability of the electric/acoustics and the fact that its editing is as easy as Omni in the same type of format. For me it was a little too much in the synth basses and seemed like it would be an overkill/overlap. And something I read here about how it triggered was noticeable in certain patches. But I tend to think it was part of the patch programming and was able to tweak quite a bit of it out (although not completely).

ATP, I know relatively nothing about RMX except from MP3 sound demos and feature lists. But I've been told that doing odd time signatures is one of its strengths, so I will be checking for that specifically. Good to keep up on this though. Thanks for that mag snippet.

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:40 pm

Didn't read, but scanned through that post.

Trilian (and RMX) have been the biggest problem to demo in many years. Although I would ask to, the majority of stores couldn't provide a working demo or anyone that knew how to get it working. In earlier threads I voiced this and Eric himself lighted into the thread and said they would do what they could to correct that. And apparently they are working toward that. At least at one of the stores I visit semi-regularly. The only reason I didn't try RMX was because I wanted to devote that time to checking out Trilian. (And I've been really digging into Omnisphere for the last few months now).
I'm satisfied enough with the Trilian demo to wait and see what comes from the next update and whether or not I might need it by then anyway. Next time, I will surely take the time to really check out RMX. Regardless of how else anyone needs to see it, that's what I've been doing on this front.

Definitely want to see the new Omni though.

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:05 pm

Have to wonder what the 4th product will be, but I suspect RMX will include compositional tools such as those found in EZDrummer2. That kind of stuff seems right up Spectrasonic's alley. RMX does a great job with RMX files, but they have inherent limitations that make them difficult to work with the minutiae, at least easily and in the same way as plain vanilla midi files (EZDrummer's great advantage) and multi-sampled libraries. Maybe RMX will have a new engine for drum midi, handle other library file types, and include a standalone.

In any event, looking forward to Omni 2.

jk-cream2 · Post by **jk-cream2** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:04 pm

How is the Upgrade delivered?
The Omnisphere 2 Upgrade package will be shipped on 30th April 2015. The upgrade package includes an upgrade code. The Omnisphere 2 upgrade will be a 17 GB download which will be made available through your Spectrasonics user account, once you have registered your upgrade code.

Will the Omnisphere 2 Upgrade be available as a physical product?
Not at this time. The Spectrasonics download service is highly reliable though… even with slower connections.

Now I get it.
From the http://blog.timespace.com

MarlaPodolski · Post by **MarlaPodolski** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:46 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
wagtunes wrote: As long as that massive library is the main selling point, which it's been up to now, Omnisphere WILL be looked at as a rompler first and a "synth" second.

Now, I expect that to change slightly with the update. I think the additional features might bring a few stragglers over to the side of "Yeah, now THIS is a synth...
Right, but to be fair, Omnisphere's synth engine as it currently stands is pretty full featured compared to... well say Diva. Omnisphere has 84 different filter types that you can run two at a time in series or parallel. Diva has 12 filters that you can run one at a time. Omnisphere has 33 different effects with a four slots in an A bus, B bus and four slots for a common bus. Diva has 5 effects and two slots. Omnisphere has an incredibly full function Arpeggiator, Diva has a very basic one. Omnisphere has an incredible modulation system, Diva had a pretty good one (that's kind of confusing to use). Diva has a single layer. Omnisphere has dual layers times 8. I could go on, but you get the idea.

So, Diva sells for $179, eh? People pay it all day long. It sounds good. I paid that (well probably a bit less because I bought it on a pre-release sale) and it's worth it. So, with that in mind it could be easily said that Omnisphere 1, sans ROM, would be worth... well $199? I also happen to think it's very well laid out UI wise. So... look! It also comes with a large very good sample library. Go to EastWest and look at the price of large professional sample libraries. Quantum Leap Ra sells for $300. Anyway so look at it like you're buying a good full featured synth and a kick ass sample library and just move on. Or don't. Buy a sample library of your choice and separate synth of your choice. There are plenty to buy. I just find that the combination of them in Omnisphere makes it more than the sum of it's parts.

zerocrossing's remarks here are the best defense of Omnisphere I have read yet in KVR. It also goes far to redeem the entire thread. It also makes me realise that much of what I had come to dislike about Omni was little to do with the poor synth itself; it came instead from the continual rubbish posted and kind of attitudes and mindset witnessed in both the supposed 'good' and 'bad' posts in threads like this (which are helpful in keeping some of us away from the forum altogether).

I'm actually now considering taking an entirely fresh look at Omni once 2 is available. I can hardly believe this myself, yet true. Thanks for posting, zerocrossing.

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:03 pm

Well, it is a good and fair comparison, but it might be more fair to compare Omni to something like Zebra, which is a much more flexible synth than DIVA (it has more features, many of which are more powerful - and sometimes sound better - than Omnisphere's).

Omnisphere is a great synth and I use it regularly, but in the analog department it's sound quality doesn't compare to the likes of U-He. For example, the hard sync exhibits aliasing in the higher frequencies - U'He's are oversampled and smooth as silk by comparison. I've posted clear audio comparisons here. I've suggested these improvements to Spectrasonics more than once. Let's hope Omni 2 is better, but I've seen nothing that would indicate this.

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:53 pm

I just use Zebra when I want zebra stuff, Diva when I want Diva stuff, and Omnisphere when I want what it offers. I think the sounds it ships with are tremendous. If it won't get some precise sound, I go to something that will, although admittedly, I don't ever feel a compulsion to get a very specific sound. I can always find something to inspire me, usually with just presets and go from there. I don't need to duplicate anything thats in heavy rotation, for starters.
I have my money waiting for O2 to hit in a couple of weeks.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:15 pm

Gonga wrote:Well, it is a good and fair comparison, but it might be more fair to compare Omni to something like Zebra, which is a much more flexible synth than DIVA (it has more features, many of which are more powerful - and sometimes sound better - than Omnisphere's).

Omnisphere is a great synth and I use it regularly, but in the analog department it's sound quality doesn't compare to the likes of U-He. For example, the hard sync exhibits aliasing in the higher frequencies - U'He's are oversampled and smooth as silk by comparison. I've posted clear audio comparisons here. I've suggested these improvements to Spectrasonics more than once. Let's hope Omni 2 is better, but I've seen nothing that would indicate this.

Sure, I'm a Zebra fan as well, but Zebra, well it's a totally different animal and still doesn't have the amount of filters and effects that Omnisphere 1 has and is super dwarfed by the roster of Omnisphere 2. It does have a nice sync sound though, I'll admit that.

Also, Diva gets tossed around a lot but I find that if you open the filters too much it can sound bright and cold in a way that I don't like. I wouldn't brag about it's hard sync either, while it's better than Omnisphere, they both sound like crap at C7 compared to an actual analog that really does sound sweet. If you want to hear decent sync in high frequencies on a soft synth, look at Oddity 2 or the oldie but goodie, Sawer.

But what the hell are we talking about here?! Omnisphere is what it is and soon it will be Omnisphere 2 and I'm f'n excited about it almost as much as I'm excited for my Prophet 12 delivery. I couldn't care less about anyone else's opinion about it and if you're too poor to buy it there are plenty of other exciting and less expensive synthesis options out there for you. LET THEM EAT miniSyn'X!

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:22 pm

Yes I can't wait for this too.

elassi · Post by **elassi** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:28 pm

Btw, isn't it a sign of grandeur that one still can't order the update on Spectrasonic's website?

I mean: This is the age of announcements and pre-ordering (incl. the inevitable discount). But they don't give a f***.

I like it.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:36 pm

elassi wrote:Btw, isn't it a sign of grandeur that one still can't order the update on Spectrasonic's website?

Maybe they want to avoid this?:

Seeing how the SoundToys server caved in, how will Spectrasonics deal with the masses of downloads that will happen April 30th?

dblock · Post by **dblock** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:52 pm

elassi wrote:Btw, isn't it a sign of grandeur that one still can't order the update on Spectrasonic's website?

I mean: This is the age of announcements and pre-ordering (incl. the inevitable discount). But they don't give a f***.

I like it.

You could pre-order Drumcore 4 from Sonoma Wire Works since 2013 and we see how that worked out. STILL not out.Now they're offering refunds. Spectrasonics is way smarter than that.

dblock · Post by **dblock** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:54 pm

dblock wrote:
elassi wrote:Btw, isn't it a sign of grandeur that one still can't order the update on Spectrasonic's website?

I mean: This is the age of announcements and pre-ordering (incl. the inevitable discount). But they don't give a f***.

I like it.
You could pre-order Drumcore 4 from Sonoma Wire Works since 2013 and we see how that worked out. STILL not out.Now they're offering refunds. Spectrasonics is smart enough to wait til they are absolutely ready.

quantum7 · Post by **quantum7** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:02 pm

10 more days!!!

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:28 pm

Numanoid wrote:
elassi wrote:Btw, isn't it a sign of grandeur that one still can't order the update on Spectrasonic's website?
Maybe they want to avoid this?:

Seeing how the SoundToys server caved in, how will Spectrasonics deal with the masses of downloads that will happen April 30th?

Knowing Spectrasonics that is an image of something they used for a sample source.

Omnisphere 2 is here! (yes, it's really here!)