Still good job, there's actually times when they are perfect fit
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
In some way all this reverbs sound similar to me, not my cup of tea for sure, I really like what MVerb, Ambience and OldSkoolVerb are doing, kinda become part of the sound, not just effect you can hear in background....maybe I'm using them with that in mind and they provide me instant gratification
Still good job, there's actually times when they are perfect fit
Still good job, there's actually times when they are perfect fit
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3207 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
ah...w...ha...wow. You know, I think, I don't know what I'm doing. I'd love to hear a second opinion on that, but after this I feel like I must be totally nuts. I've been excited about my reverbs, because they finally sound like actually believable reverbs with a kind of sophistication that was utterly lacking in the internal ones, which sound rather..uhm... let's gently call them simple. I feel unworthy now.
AH well, live and learn... byes!
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
Now I feel bad
Must stress out personal preference here, I use reverbs on digital sounding synth sounds, with no pre-delay, EQ-ed and just mixed in as part of the sound, really short tail basically, that's my use for reverb mostly, not entirely, but mostly
Sometimes even use two reverbs in a row, one become part of sound, other is space and so on, so it's me, not the reverb or you, I can bet my kind of reverb would just be too subtle for you to even use it on barely anything that needs tail or fitting in some space
Must stress out personal preference here, I use reverbs on digital sounding synth sounds, with no pre-delay, EQ-ed and just mixed in as part of the sound, really short tail basically, that's my use for reverb mostly, not entirely, but mostly
Sometimes even use two reverbs in a row, one become part of sound, other is space and so on, so it's me, not the reverb or you, I can bet my kind of reverb would just be too subtle for you to even use it on barely anything that needs tail or fitting in some space
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3207 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
I can't shake the feeling that you haven't tried to use the dials, have you? I just don't understand. But I do understand the pre-delay dilemma. It took me 20 years to even begin appreciating that, but now I do. Depending on what you want to achieve, of course, you normally want reverbs to provide orientation for your instruments, to put them on a stage, so to say, drape them around the listener. You create space, like you create scenery. With synth stuff one can think that all this stuff doesn't have to feel real, just has to sound nice, but the more you integrate realism, the stronger the overall impression gets and the music gets a serious foundation.
However, I like to create depth and tails for my sounds inside the sounds and then use effects to provide placement and atmosphere. This method really asks for a believable reverb. I think, my silly little attempt is the first remotely real sounding reverb I know of within mulab all by itself. I didn't expect it to be possible and got really excited about it. Now I wonder, if I'm wrong and got the whole "my baby" syndrom, you know. Like I totally failed. I would've loved to hear what Jo was thinking about it, was kind of hoping to get some confirmation that justifies my joy, but yeah... total failure.
Don't feel bad! You've told me your truth and it's all I needed to hear. It's time I resumed with other things anyway...were some fun days, though, so no regrets!
However, I like to create depth and tails for my sounds inside the sounds and then use effects to provide placement and atmosphere. This method really asks for a believable reverb. I think, my silly little attempt is the first remotely real sounding reverb I know of within mulab all by itself. I didn't expect it to be possible and got really excited about it. Now I wonder, if I'm wrong and got the whole "my baby" syndrom, you know. Like I totally failed. I would've loved to hear what Jo was thinking about it, was kind of hoping to get some confirmation that justifies my joy, but yeah... total failure.
Don't feel bad! You've told me your truth and it's all I needed to hear. It's time I resumed with other things anyway...were some fun days, though, so no regrets!
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3207 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
Oh, just to clarify, we're talking about my "freeverb v2.0" implementation, right?!
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
Yes I had, dialing in as insert to compliment sound in isolation is all I did.I can't shake the feeling that you haven't tried to use the dials, have you?
Exactly, that's why I said it's me, in particular case I wanted something to thicken up the sound, nothing else and for that I don't find them suitable.Depending on what you want to achieve, of course
Depends what real means in this case, trying to get to sound like it is in real place or sound having sense of space, but I think you mean about second and I agree, but to respond to first, for club synth sound that are going mostly to be played in clubs, club is space and for that space sounds are made, sometimes you can get away with dryer stuff and let space do his thing.With synth stuff one can think that all this stuff doesn't have to feel real, just has to sound nice, but the more you integrate realism, the stronger the overall impression gets and the music gets a serious foundation.
Yeah, it really does, I started getting more into ambient/chill lately and I totally agreeHowever, I like to create depth and tails for my sounds inside the sounds and then use effects to provide placement and atmosphere. This method really asks for a believable reverb.
You did made your thing, it's not failure, just like you made your perfect sound and so on, I don't like Freeverb anyways, so there's that...as kind of hoping to get some confirmation that justifies my joy, but yeah... total failure.
I'm talking about all reverbs I could try in MuLab, I think it's not his strong thing at all, but weird stuff is top notch, there was similar reverbs in Logic too, perfect fit for sound design.Oh, just to clarify, we're talking about my "freeverb v2.0" implementation, right?!
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3207 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
So either the only person, who has the heart to write me some feedback, doesn't care about reverbs, but finds it motivating to tell me about it, too. 
Ah well, I understand now why MuLab never took off the way it should have. Somehow destiny saw it fit to demotivate users with any reach or at least determination by any means necessary, even die-hard stubborn folks like me, who see potential and really want to go against the crashing waves or through miles of suffocating desert to find the "promised land", so to say, haha. Even if only I gave that promise to myself.
If it isn't MuLab (Mux, really) itself that somehow magically demotivates you, it's the sparse reactions of the handful of users which none can be allowed to drag you down, simply because it's too few. Right now after my reverb I get 2 reactions, one may not have anything to do with it and features my art, the other declares my efforts as useless. I give it 75% demotivation.
This thing needs cheerleaders! I'm normally that sort of thing, especially to myself, but the edge on which we walk here is razor sharp and the payoff on the other side sliced thin as pieces of hope we get that suggest the good in it gets better.
As I said earlier, I'll always use MuLab, I think, simply because it remains the most primitive and light weight vst host and those thin slices of hope are always welcome.
Mux is promising, but to build anything worth the effort results in processing times that can't be justified or better serves a concrete reason, because if you did it for kicks, you gotta get a giant kick out of kicking yourself.
I really will now try to shake all of this off again. I have to clear my head to really focus on meaningful and useful things. The only meaning at all that I get out of struggling through MUX and trying to make some fun stuff with it is you guys and Jo. I do not get a kicker out of it as much as I should, I've got ten tons more pleasure with almost any given tool near me, as absurd as this sounds. I've got freaking Reaktor, Kontakt tons of awesome synths (and terrible ones) and even more: I can program myself and I know it would take me all but a few weeks to put together something that would blow (at the very least) my own mind, let alone...well...never mind. If you somehow thought I'm full of it, you're totally right. No idea why I'm so sensitive, but I blame the odds against which I've intended to work. That windmill beats me fair and square.
Little addon: I don't do club music nor do I care about it. I'm not categorically against it, but I also don't mind taking a dump in the woods, if I had to.
Ah well, I understand now why MuLab never took off the way it should have. Somehow destiny saw it fit to demotivate users with any reach or at least determination by any means necessary, even die-hard stubborn folks like me, who see potential and really want to go against the crashing waves or through miles of suffocating desert to find the "promised land", so to say, haha. Even if only I gave that promise to myself.
If it isn't MuLab (Mux, really) itself that somehow magically demotivates you, it's the sparse reactions of the handful of users which none can be allowed to drag you down, simply because it's too few. Right now after my reverb I get 2 reactions, one may not have anything to do with it and features my art, the other declares my efforts as useless. I give it 75% demotivation.
This thing needs cheerleaders! I'm normally that sort of thing, especially to myself, but the edge on which we walk here is razor sharp and the payoff on the other side sliced thin as pieces of hope we get that suggest the good in it gets better.
As I said earlier, I'll always use MuLab, I think, simply because it remains the most primitive and light weight vst host and those thin slices of hope are always welcome.
Mux is promising, but to build anything worth the effort results in processing times that can't be justified or better serves a concrete reason, because if you did it for kicks, you gotta get a giant kick out of kicking yourself.
I really will now try to shake all of this off again. I have to clear my head to really focus on meaningful and useful things. The only meaning at all that I get out of struggling through MUX and trying to make some fun stuff with it is you guys and Jo. I do not get a kicker out of it as much as I should, I've got ten tons more pleasure with almost any given tool near me, as absurd as this sounds. I've got freaking Reaktor, Kontakt tons of awesome synths (and terrible ones) and even more: I can program myself and I know it would take me all but a few weeks to put together something that would blow (at the very least) my own mind, let alone...well...never mind. If you somehow thought I'm full of it, you're totally right. No idea why I'm so sensitive, but I blame the odds against which I've intended to work. That windmill beats me fair and square.
Little addon: I don't do club music nor do I care about it. I'm not categorically against it, but I also don't mind taking a dump in the woods, if I had to.
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- KVRAF
- 13865 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
I understand your post Taron. Pls understand that me personally i cannot check all the user presets shared here. Not because i'm not interested (you know i admire your and others' creativity and technical adventures), but i simply don't have the time to do so. That's why i think there should be a central user-driven webspace to share projects, patches, muclips etc. Still looking for a solution. At this point, i'm currently focused on improving the MUX front panels. Hope i can show you that way how much i appreciate what you, Andreas, Dakkra, Trancit and others are doing with MUX. I also find it a pity that there is so little interest in MuLab, MUX and their demo projects and user patches. Why?
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- KVRAF
- 13865 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
About a central mu-stuff place: Last week i've been searching for a solution. I know i have webspace, it's more about the file management. I've been experimenting with php and had an interesting result, but atoh i don't want to reinvent the wheel. Anyway, i'll soon continue this "user mu-library" topic in the specific topic: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 9&t=437320
My point here is: Don't you think that part of the problem is that it's not easy to share/publish patches. Attaching them here only makes them visible to the users that visit the forum, and that's not a big crowd.
My point here is: Don't you think that part of the problem is that it's not easy to share/publish patches. Attaching them here only makes them visible to the users that visit the forum, and that's not a big crowd.
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
Well, I'm definitely really tired, trying to hold on for 6 more hours and break the cycle, so sorry in advance
Okay so in psytrance scene, where DIY sound design is a must and pretty much weird is great, minority of people use modular's or find messing around with it to be fruitful, some did, sold everything, returned to synths, some came back to hybrid setups, some went modular and sold their bed's, don't make music that much, but what I'm trying to say is, modular's are least interesting things even sound design enthusiasts want, not your usual supersaw guy.
Second, there's not much people that need new DAW and are in same time into sound design and messing around, yet modular's and patching cables, so that could be another reason too.
Okay so in psytrance scene, where DIY sound design is a must and pretty much weird is great, minority of people use modular's or find messing around with it to be fruitful, some did, sold everything, returned to synths, some came back to hybrid setups, some went modular and sold their bed's, don't make music that much, but what I'm trying to say is, modular's are least interesting things even sound design enthusiasts want, not your usual supersaw guy.
Second, there's not much people that need new DAW and are in same time into sound design and messing around, yet modular's and patching cables, so that could be another reason too.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3207 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
Oh, you've managed to squeeze a post in while I was writing, but...lemme just post this first:
I really believe it has a lot to do with core users, ready to support each other and to carry that support to the outside together, too.
For example, users should let other users know, when they post a song somewhere out there on any music site, be it soundcloud or reverbnation or what ever is out there. If someone posts a song somewhere, and it's a decent song that another user could at least remotely appreciate, it should get a "like" or even a comment. Draw attention to what is being done with mulab!
But the easiest thing in the world is to have internally conversations that move forward, that help to drive good creations rather than blindly blurting out what comes to ones mind, making a point of being rudely sincere. There will come a time when sensibility is no longer crucial, but this time has not yet come! Even then, though, I find it most useful to think at least a little bit harder before writing a comment, maybe there is a way this thought could ADD to the process, rather than take away from it.
I firmly believe that a true sign of intelligence is the ability and care to motivate progress. Always look for what is there that you like first! If you find something "missing" it absolutely means that there has to be something you've liked to begin with. Find a way to make known what that is! Then you can add a wish and it won't hurt the motivation.
It serves nobody to tell him how useless his work is for you or how it ain't your cup of tea. It doesn't matter how mature a creator may be, you can pull the carpet from under anybody's feet, take the wind out of anybody's sails.
Whether or not I stick around here, this is something worth considering for anybody anywhere, really. Every single one of us is a servant of the others, whether we create something new or manage something existing, even if our task was to destroy. To fuel the will to serve- in which ever way our will has us designed to- we best acknowledge the strength we can see in each other first, confirming that the path we're on is the right one and then offer information for the future to add to the path ahead of us. Once your past, your foundation is recognized, the following information does not take away from it, leaving strength with you to carry on. If you carve away from that past, hmmm...that's bad.
But this ain't a philosophy forum, I know. I'm just in a weak spot myself, obviously. My precious Korg M1 is breaking right now, the modulation stick is screwed up and I have no other masterkeyboard around, making it all but impossible to design patches that take any other midi info beyond keys. It's like it's telling me to stop or fight even harder against the random odds thrown at me, hahaha...amazing, kind of. Yes, yes, I can imagine what you might be thinking:
Anyway...I'm disappointed that my excitement ran straight into a solitary pillar of dismissal. I was too excited to have more patience, and troubles around me made it even harder (technicalities: besides broken keyboard my graphics card died, which I now have managed to replace, oh joy!). So, yeah...universe is telling me something and I have to figure out what that is exactly, or close enough.
Jo, you mean a lot to me already for some time and I'm always thankful for what you're doing. You are raising a landscape there and I think we all can see it becoming a beautiful field of rolling hills and how a mountain wants to poke through. If anyone can do that, raise that mountain, I believe it is you. For as long as I can, I absolutely love help pushing it! I know I'm not alone in that, but I might have to do it from a safer place for my fragile motivation than here, you know. So...keep it together guys, think forward, think human frailty and know you're in a small group and you'll have to do better together to make it grow! The stuff is all there, Mux and Mulab have it in their DNA, don't keep it locked up in the cellar!
I really believe it has a lot to do with core users, ready to support each other and to carry that support to the outside together, too.
For example, users should let other users know, when they post a song somewhere out there on any music site, be it soundcloud or reverbnation or what ever is out there. If someone posts a song somewhere, and it's a decent song that another user could at least remotely appreciate, it should get a "like" or even a comment. Draw attention to what is being done with mulab!
But the easiest thing in the world is to have internally conversations that move forward, that help to drive good creations rather than blindly blurting out what comes to ones mind, making a point of being rudely sincere. There will come a time when sensibility is no longer crucial, but this time has not yet come! Even then, though, I find it most useful to think at least a little bit harder before writing a comment, maybe there is a way this thought could ADD to the process, rather than take away from it.
I firmly believe that a true sign of intelligence is the ability and care to motivate progress. Always look for what is there that you like first! If you find something "missing" it absolutely means that there has to be something you've liked to begin with. Find a way to make known what that is! Then you can add a wish and it won't hurt the motivation.
It serves nobody to tell him how useless his work is for you or how it ain't your cup of tea. It doesn't matter how mature a creator may be, you can pull the carpet from under anybody's feet, take the wind out of anybody's sails.
Whether or not I stick around here, this is something worth considering for anybody anywhere, really. Every single one of us is a servant of the others, whether we create something new or manage something existing, even if our task was to destroy. To fuel the will to serve- in which ever way our will has us designed to- we best acknowledge the strength we can see in each other first, confirming that the path we're on is the right one and then offer information for the future to add to the path ahead of us. Once your past, your foundation is recognized, the following information does not take away from it, leaving strength with you to carry on. If you carve away from that past, hmmm...that's bad.
But this ain't a philosophy forum, I know. I'm just in a weak spot myself, obviously. My precious Korg M1 is breaking right now, the modulation stick is screwed up and I have no other masterkeyboard around, making it all but impossible to design patches that take any other midi info beyond keys. It's like it's telling me to stop or fight even harder against the random odds thrown at me, hahaha...amazing, kind of. Yes, yes, I can imagine what you might be thinking:
Anyway...I'm disappointed that my excitement ran straight into a solitary pillar of dismissal. I was too excited to have more patience, and troubles around me made it even harder (technicalities: besides broken keyboard my graphics card died, which I now have managed to replace, oh joy!). So, yeah...universe is telling me something and I have to figure out what that is exactly, or close enough.
Jo, you mean a lot to me already for some time and I'm always thankful for what you're doing. You are raising a landscape there and I think we all can see it becoming a beautiful field of rolling hills and how a mountain wants to poke through. If anyone can do that, raise that mountain, I believe it is you. For as long as I can, I absolutely love help pushing it! I know I'm not alone in that, but I might have to do it from a safer place for my fragile motivation than here, you know. So...keep it together guys, think forward, think human frailty and know you're in a small group and you'll have to do better together to make it grow! The stuff is all there, Mux and Mulab have it in their DNA, don't keep it locked up in the cellar!
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
I'm sorry, you are right, as I said, I really don't belong here and all I did is just take a dump, so please don't mind me, I'm seriously not going to post here anymore or bother anyone, I'm really not worth your time or I have anything valuable to offer.Taron wrote: It serves nobody to tell him how useless his work is for you or how it ain't your cup of tea. It doesn't matter how mature a creator may be, you can pull the carpet from under anybody's feet, take the wind out of anybody's sails.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3207 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
Just consider having fun and what it means not just to you but to those you want to share it with. With that in mind we all belong to everything we like or even love.
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- KVRAF
- 1925 posts since 29 Mar, 2013
Wow, some strong emotion in this thread.
There was another post in another thread about people not giving thanks when Muxs' were uploaded.
Dont let the lack of responses get to you, I'm sure everyone who sees these things you are making appreciate them even if they dont say so, maybe they should.
There was another post in another thread about people not giving thanks when Muxs' were uploaded.
Dont let the lack of responses get to you, I'm sure everyone who sees these things you are making appreciate them even if they dont say so, maybe they should.
Beauty is only skin deep,
Ugliness, however, goes right the way through
Ugliness, however, goes right the way through
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- KVRAF
- 8589 posts since 29 Sep, 2010 from Maui
off topic:
Taron, Its nice to see Pmg is still going strong... Haven't thought about that since
my LW3D days... I remember when you guys started all that...
Suppose Ill have to buy it now hehe...
Long time fan...
-Cheers
Taron, Its nice to see Pmg is still going strong... Haven't thought about that since
my LW3D days... I remember when you guys started all that...
Suppose Ill have to buy it now hehe...
Long time fan...
-Cheers