A gif animation makes it more clear
On instrument track 3 is a MUX rack made in the composer with assigned sound : 01 New Synth on midi channel 1
On instrument track 4 is a MUX rack made in the composer with assigned sound: 02 New Synth2 on midi channel 2
Both instrument tracks in composer play the same sound from MUX vsti ..it makes no difference if a chance the sound in the Mux Vsti synth..again two the same sounds
How to assign in the MUX editor different sounds to different midi channels for the instrument tracks in the composer ?
How to get a multitimbral MUX in a DAW
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- KVRAF
- 7412 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
Audio and MIDI are different things. Audio ins or outs has nothing to do with MIDI channel. One event connector carries up to 16 MIDI channels because MIDI events carry the channel information in the event, in the same way they carry the event type (Note On, Note Off, etc).
The single MIDI - event, in VST terms - input to a MuX carries all the information needed. Try it: open up MuX, connect the event input to Halion. Halion will be able to play on all channels.
Most MuX modules themselves do not care what channel an event is on - they are in MIDI terms "omni", any channel, devices - so you need to use a channel splitter, under MuTools->Modules->Event Processors. You can then route the events from the sixteen channels wherever you like. If I remember correctly, they still carry the channel information. (Again, testable by routing say channel 8 to Halion and setting what it plays on channel 8.)
It's hard to make out what your video is showing but I can see an unconnected MIDI channel splitter. Of course, without being connected up, that will have no effect.
I would recommend the following:
- Create an empty MuX
- Add an event input module
- Add the MIDI channel splitter module
- Add the MuX Instrument module
- Add an audio output module
- Wire up the event input to the MIDI channel splitter event input
- Wire the appropriate MIDI channel splitter event output to the MuX instrument event input
- Wire the audio output from the MuX instrument to the audio output
Then save this as a preset for future use in other projects with a name that indicates which channel you assigned.
The single MIDI - event, in VST terms - input to a MuX carries all the information needed. Try it: open up MuX, connect the event input to Halion. Halion will be able to play on all channels.
Most MuX modules themselves do not care what channel an event is on - they are in MIDI terms "omni", any channel, devices - so you need to use a channel splitter, under MuTools->Modules->Event Processors. You can then route the events from the sixteen channels wherever you like. If I remember correctly, they still carry the channel information. (Again, testable by routing say channel 8 to Halion and setting what it plays on channel 8.)
It's hard to make out what your video is showing but I can see an unconnected MIDI channel splitter. Of course, without being connected up, that will have no effect.
I would recommend the following:
- Create an empty MuX
- Add an event input module
- Add the MIDI channel splitter module
- Add the MuX Instrument module
- Add an audio output module
- Wire up the event input to the MIDI channel splitter event input
- Wire the appropriate MIDI channel splitter event output to the MuX instrument event input
- Wire the audio output from the MuX instrument to the audio output
Then save this as a preset for future use in other projects with a name that indicates which channel you assigned.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 203 posts since 26 Sep, 2014
Thanks!
Yes, i tried this also for a two midi channels in the composer rack and the Midi channel splitter, but ..nothing
Can i conlude from this that a sound is playing on midi channel 5
Back to my setup example with midi channel 1 and 2 and instrument track 3 and 4..
I used one MUXvsti in a composer rack and assigned two midi channels in it and used the Midi channel splitters..not working
Now i make for midichannel 1 and midi channel 2 a own composer rack and load two Mux vsti for every composer rack
In each composer rack there are 16 midi channels available, so let see if i can assign a second midi channel .. without the Midi channel splitter.?
Yes, i tried this also for a two midi channels in the composer rack and the Midi channel splitter, but ..nothing
Can i conlude from this that a sound is playing on midi channel 5
Back to my setup example with midi channel 1 and 2 and instrument track 3 and 4..
I used one MUXvsti in a composer rack and assigned two midi channels in it and used the Midi channel splitters..not working
Now i make for midichannel 1 and midi channel 2 a own composer rack and load two Mux vsti for every composer rack
In each composer rack there are 16 midi channels available, so let see if i can assign a second midi channel .. without the Midi channel splitter.?
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- KVRAF
- 3207 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
How about something like this one...
I just hooked a random bass into the first rack, so you'd hear something on midi channel 1.
The rest of the racks are still empty, so you'd want to load some instruments into those eventually!
I've tested it and it works exactly like Kontakt. It's a fun method, actually, to do some grouping.
I just hooked a random bass into the first rack, so you'd hear something on midi channel 1.
The rest of the racks are still empty, so you'd want to load some instruments into those eventually!
I've tested it and it works exactly like Kontakt. It's a fun method, actually, to do some grouping.
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- KVRAF
- 7412 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
This bit I don't understand. Is this something in the host? If so, can you try this:janhardo wrote:I used one MUXvsti in a composer rack and assigned two midi channels in it
- Set up two tracks with different MIDI channels targeting the same (initially empty) MuX
- In the MuX just have an Event In and an Event Monitor (under Event Processors, again)
That should give you a read out of what information the host is sending to the MuX.
That is a host-specific issue again. You'll need to see what's actually happening across the VST interface. VST doesn't know about MIDI channels as such - it just sends all events down an event connection.janhardo wrote:In each composer rack there are 16 midi channels available, so let see if i can assign a second midi channel .. without the Midi channel splitter.?
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- KVRAF
- 3207 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
Ok, if you click on a rack, it should open. Then you can drop in instrument into it. Each rack receives from it's own midi channel 1 through 16. Therefore it is a multi timbral template, yes.janhardo wrote:Thanks!
Don't see yet ,what can i do with this panel with 16 racks ..is it a template..how to use this?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 203 posts since 26 Sep, 2014
Thanks!
So the question now is what do(can) we want to achieve more ?
It is no problem to make 16 composer racks for 16 midi channels with 16 MUX vstiThis bit I don't understand. Is this something in the host? If so, can you try this:
So the question now is what do(can) we want to achieve more ?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 203 posts since 26 Sep, 2014
Thanks!
If you drop from the same synth ..16 sounds on the 16 racks it is multi timbral, but if you drop 16 different synth sounds on the racks it is not a multi-timbral synth ...strictly spoken ..agree?Therefore it is a multi timbral template, yes.
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- KVRAF
- 3207 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
I'm proud of you now! 
Almost...it still sounds funny what you're saying, though.
Each Rack should get a different synth!
Like:
Rack 1 will have a bass
Rack 2 will have a piano
Rack 3 will have strings
Rack 4 will have congas
Rack 5 will have a drumset
Rack 6 will have bells
...etc, etc, etc
Then you target the MUX with every track sending on a different midi channel!
Track 1 sends to MUX with Midi Channel 1
Track 2 sends to MUX with Midi Channel 2
and so on...
Almost...it still sounds funny what you're saying, though.
Each Rack should get a different synth!
Like:
Rack 1 will have a bass
Rack 2 will have a piano
Rack 3 will have strings
Rack 4 will have congas
Rack 5 will have a drumset
Rack 6 will have bells
...etc, etc, etc
Then you target the MUX with every track sending on a different midi channel!
Track 1 sends to MUX with Midi Channel 1
Track 2 sends to MUX with Midi Channel 2
and so on...
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 203 posts since 26 Sep, 2014
I am free what synth i choose, but there is not one Synth in MUlab what has all desired sounds for me
So you are forced to use more then one synth to use to get wanted sound setup.
Multi-timbrality comes from one synth ..strictly spoken..or not ?
Like
Rack 1- will have a bass ( from synth x)
Rack 2- will have a piano ( from synth x)
.....
Rack 16- will have a pad ( from synth x)
You say..a needed condition that all synths are different ?
Rack 1- will have a bass ( from synth x)
Rack 2- will have a piano ( from synth y)
.....
Rack 16- will have a pad ( from synth z)
Well i can try it out with the template
I drag the racks from the front template into the rack lane bottom in Mulab..this is the intented use ?
So you are forced to use more then one synth to use to get wanted sound setup.
Multi-timbrality comes from one synth ..strictly spoken..or not ?
Like
Rack 1- will have a bass ( from synth x)
Rack 2- will have a piano ( from synth x)
.....
Rack 16- will have a pad ( from synth x)
You say..a needed condition that all synths are different ?
Rack 1- will have a bass ( from synth x)
Rack 2- will have a piano ( from synth y)
.....
Rack 16- will have a pad ( from synth z)
Well i can try it out with the template
I drag the racks from the front template into the rack lane bottom in Mulab..this is the intented use ?
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- KVRAF
- 3207 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
Ufff, man...you're a hard nut, Jan! 
The whole point and glory of MUX is that you can use ANY vst inside it. So you could drag any VSTi into a rack. No, they do not have to be from the same synth at all.
I think, there's a conceptual misunderstanding of great magnitude.
But, honestly, I'm done here for the time being...
In MuLab you most likely wouldn't use this MUX template. I made it for your super expensive "auto composer" app as you seemed to have trouble with MUX in it.
To me, though, this topic is done, really. Have fun and use your mind well.
The whole point and glory of MUX is that you can use ANY vst inside it. So you could drag any VSTi into a rack. No, they do not have to be from the same synth at all.
I think, there's a conceptual misunderstanding of great magnitude.
But, honestly, I'm done here for the time being...
In MuLab you most likely wouldn't use this MUX template. I made it for your super expensive "auto composer" app as you seemed to have trouble with MUX in it.
To me, though, this topic is done, really. Have fun and use your mind well.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 203 posts since 26 Sep, 2014
Sorry, i must ask this question hereunder instead of the abstract one here above done 
The question was : can i load 16 sounds in your racks template from the same native Mutool synth?
example : i choose a mutools synt and use 16 sounds of this synth in the racks
A multi-timbral synth can be one synth with 16 midi outs ..
The question was : can i load 16 sounds in your racks template from the same native Mutool synth?
example : i choose a mutools synt and use 16 sounds of this synth in the racks
A multi-timbral synth can be one synth with 16 midi outs ..
Yes i thought so, that your example was a help for the MUX vsti in the composer, but before to go there further i want to know what synths (the same , different and Vsti ) can be loaded in the racks?In MuLab you most likely wouldn't use this MUX template. I made it for your super expensive "auto composer" app as you seemed to have trouble with MUX in it.
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- KVRAF
- 3207 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
Do me one favor, please!
Hook up my template in your composer.
Open rack 2.
Take any vsti synth you have and drop it into the rack.
Open rack 3.
Take any other vsti synth you have and drop it into that rack.
Open rack 4.
Take any mux synth you have and drop it into that rack.
Try to make four tracks in your composer that all target my template, but each track uses a different midi channel from 1 through 4.
Then try to make some music with those four tracks.
Hopefully that will help you answer your question yourself?!
As for multi timbral synth.... what on earth are you trying to do? Why do you care about midi out from a synth, unless you are worried about the ability of your recorder to record dial motions and the likes?!
And last but not least...actively try to do something, please! Don't just ask questions, please. I love to help, but I feel a little funky already...really. I'm not yet sure, whether you're completely new to computers or making music with computers because you are still very young, or because you're quite old, hehe...in EITHER case, I really love to encourage you, really. But what ever the case, you must try out what you've been advised to do, see if there's something that doesn't work and then describe exactly what you've been doing so that we can understand the nature of your problem!
Hook up my template in your composer.
Open rack 2.
Take any vsti synth you have and drop it into the rack.
Open rack 3.
Take any other vsti synth you have and drop it into that rack.
Open rack 4.
Take any mux synth you have and drop it into that rack.
Try to make four tracks in your composer that all target my template, but each track uses a different midi channel from 1 through 4.
Then try to make some music with those four tracks.
Hopefully that will help you answer your question yourself?!
As for multi timbral synth.... what on earth are you trying to do? Why do you care about midi out from a synth, unless you are worried about the ability of your recorder to record dial motions and the likes?!
And last but not least...actively try to do something, please! Don't just ask questions, please. I love to help, but I feel a little funky already...really. I'm not yet sure, whether you're completely new to computers or making music with computers because you are still very young, or because you're quite old, hehe...in EITHER case, I really love to encourage you, really. But what ever the case, you must try out what you've been advised to do, see if there's something that doesn't work and then describe exactly what you've been doing so that we can understand the nature of your problem!