✔ Small Feature Requests... [Bitwig]

[takaii]

a button to change device like in ableton would be nice too ,and more fast

? Like that the comming bitwig update? Audition browser in 1.2?

[takaii]

Speaking of midi editing, it would be nice if you only had to click once rather than double click to add a note using the pointer tool. You can do that with the pen tool of course, but I find that switching all the time is at least as much of a hassle so I don't bother.

+1, also ability when putting in a note and hold mouse ability to change position in notes up and down and left and right in time! Because using mouse and puting in notes its way to often i end up on wrong note. The hustle having to select note to change position when most of times with mouse it gets in wrong position. One thing why i like fls pianoroll because it works very Well in this aspect. Also deleting notes by holding right mouse button and just drag over notes is fast for delete a bad part to redo!

[Ogopogo]

^Yes, I totally agree about moving the note with up/down drag, that's much more valuable to me than setting velocity with up/down drag. Very often I hear a note in my head that I want to add, so I try to add it but hear by the preview that I picked the wrong note. So my natural reaction is just to want to drag it into place right then. I used to do this in Reaper and things went faster.

I also have troubles some time with the velocity setting when I try to length or shorten a note by a large amount. It's easy to accidentally move up or down and trigger the velocity alteration when I don't mean to.

Edit. It's also easy to accidentally length or shorten the note when you are trying to adjust velocity.

[Redukt]

Have you seen/read the posts of Regnas and myself on the previous page?

I think everyone would be happy with such a sixth tool (that Regnas called "drum step tool") that essentially drops the right-click menus - if you like those functionalities let the Bitwig guys know (http://www.bitwig.com/en/support/tech-support.html). Maybe if enough people voice their opinion about the piano roll, we might have a chance...

Ok, this is how it should work:

Single left click = draw. Yeah, just like the pen tool...
See pic:


Single right click = delete. Yes, it's faster and avoid many mistakes.
See pic:


Left click and drag = fill steps. What's more convenient and faster than this?
See pic:


And yes you guess:
Right click and drag = delete...
See pic:

[takaii]

Have you seen/read the posts of Regnas and myself on the previous page?

I think everyone would be happy with such a sixth tool (that Regnas called "drum step tool") that essentially drops the right-click menus - if you like those functionalities let the Bitwig guys know (http://www.bitwig.com/en/support/tech-support.html). Maybe if enough people voice their opinion about the piano roll, we might have a chance...

Ok, this is how it should work:

Single left click = draw. Yeah, just like the pen tool...
See pic:


Single right click = delete. Yes, it's faster and avoid many mistakes.
See pic:


Left click and drag = fill steps. What's more convenient and faster than this?
See pic:


And yes you guess:
Right click and drag = delete...
See pic:

Yes a brush tool would be convenient like that in fl, serves more purpose than drum only! But i would love to have the overall behaviour of pianoroll change if i could decide! Just make it like fl studios haha miss that pianoroll way to much!

[Ogopogo]

If the pointer tool was one click to create a note, then it would be very similar to the pen tool, right? So then maybe the pen tool could simply be changed to what redux and regnas describe. But the problem with that I suppose is that the arrange behavior of the pen tool wouldn't really match up with its midi editor behavior. Since the pen tool doesn't create clips in steps, and it wouldn't make sense to have it work like that. But maybe it's close enough?

There are also modifiers to think about. Maybe you could have alt drag create steps with the pen tool. Or maybe even have alt drag create steps with the pointer tool. If I had a pointer tool that added notes with one click and painted step with alt/drag, I would have pretty much have all the main stuff that I like to do covered with one tool.

[takaii]

If the changes that Ronny and I were talking about happened to the pointer tool, then it would be very similar to the pen tool, right? So then maybe the pen tool could simply be changed to what redux and regnas describe. But the problem with that I supposed is that the arrange behavior of the pen tool wouldn't really match up with its midi editor behavior. Since the pen tool doesn't create clips in steps, and it wouldn't make since to have it work like that. But maybe it's close enough?

Yes we meant normal pointertool, i would be happy to have a modifier button for selecting then current behaving.

[Redukt]

Yeah, that's pretty much why we need a sixth tool - a lot of people like the current behaviour of the tools. That's why i think that changing the existing tools too much is not an option for the devs.

[takaii]

Yeah, that's pretty much why we need a sixth tool - a lot of people like the current behaviour of the tools. That's why i think that changing the existing tools too much is not an option for the devs.

Or in preferences where we could change behaviour:) i feature wishes once about changing pianoroll. They think modifier for selection is bad and double klick, velocity up and down and length left and right.. but things get wrong way to often before one ever have possibilty to ultimate the use of velocity and length. To often i end up wrong..

[Ogopogo]

One click to add a note would interfere with creating a selection box with the pointer tool, forgot about that. In Reaper that's not an issue since the box select is done with right click. Maybe they could do that with Bitwig, but then it would be more annoying on a laptop, wouldn't it? Complicated...

Oh well. I guess I will reduce my thoughts down:

Creating notes with double click is a bit of a pain compared to creating with one click.
Dragging a newly created note up/down to move the note is preferable to adjusting velocity for me
Being able to paint steps is great for drum editing and sometimes melodic stuff
Single right click to delete can be very nice, especially when experimenting with drum patterns
I never use the right click menu in the piano roll
I would like to switch tools as little as possible, I usually just stick with the pointer tool
I don't want to use a modifier to create a selection box since I do this too much

[takaii]

One click to add a note would interfere with creating a selection box with the pointer tool, forgot about that. In Reaper that's not an issue since the box select is done with right click. Maybe they could do that with Bitwig, but then it would be more annoying on a laptop, wouldn't it? Complicated...

Oh well. I guess I will reduce my thoughts down:

Creating notes with double click is a bit of a pain compared to creating with one click.
Dragging a newly created note up/down to move the note is preferable to adjusting velocity for me
Being able to paint steps is great for drum editing and sometimes melodic stuff
Single right click to delete can be very nice, especially when experimenting with drum patterns
I never use the right click menu in the piano roll
I would like to switch tools as little as possible, I usually just stick with the pointer tool
I don't want to use a modifier to create a selection box since I do this too much

Yeah me 2 pointer tool almost every time, i think selection could be insteed with ctrl and hold left mouse and drag is much more convenient than double click and then the velocity and note length... Its so un creative

[takaii]

To be able to use the velocity and note length required first that i get the note in right position first, in fl they actually have modifikation keys to be able to change note length.

[panox80]

a button to change device like in ableton would be nice too ,and more fast

? Like that the comming bitwig update? Audition browser in 1.2?

oh i don't know..i stop to follow new things for update from a lot of time..aniway i mean i thing like switch device in ableton...i hope this new browser don't open anytime i need to find a thing or want to change a device...i prefer little integrate browser..more fast than have another window in my screen

[Bobby L'Avenir]

he means an option in the preferences, that let you open a tool selection window with rightclick instead of the current menu. Honestly i prefer shortcuts and like to have the rightclick menu with its options like bounce in place etc, but that is subjective.

To be more precise the tool bar should come up after a right mouse click above the colour tabs and "toggle muted" when inside clip edit. That way everyone can get the tool they need with a quick and simple right click, paint brush, pencil, drum stick, envelope shapes, etc. Shortcuts have a limited range as you'll only remember so many but if they were right there upon right click (like in Cubase) more options and faster workflow kick in straight away

[Ogopogo]

The shortcuts for the tools are number keys 1-5, not hard to remember.