SYN'X 2.5 Released - Xils-Lab - (Multitimbral Synthex - intro discount-)

[wagtunes]

Found an odd bug in MuLab.

Brought up init patch and went to create a simple pad with short attack. Attack parameter has no effect. Decay, Sustain and Release work fine but Attack...nada.

Very odd.

Wich enveloppe ? (There are 4 D-Adsr envelopes in the Syn'X 2 : 1 for the VCA, one for the Filter, and the 2 remaining ones beeing freely assignable/routable in various mod matrixes) )

I have no idea which one. But I can tell you the exact steps I took.

Step 1) Bring up INIT patch.

Step 2) Go to where it says ADSR volume or something or another. Turn Attack, Decay, Sustain and Release knobs. If I turn sustain and decay all the way down to zero, I get no sound, so I'm definitely affected the main ADSR that controls that layer. However, if I turn the attack knob, even all the way to the right, which should make it take longer for the sound to start, it has no effect. Sound starts right away no matter where that knob is.

Thanks for the report. Indeed a simple process with few steps.
Hmmm just tried exactly what you said and it works perfectly here. Maybe you should try to relaunch the Syn'X 2, or modify the attack of another preset. Or try it in another daw than Mulab ( though I honnestly dont think it might be a mulab thing, but as I never used that particular daw ... ) Or fill a report form and send it to Xils-Lab , with the usual setails/suspects : Daw/OS/System/versions etc. To see if they can reproduce this. Imho Its very unlikely such a basic bug could have been missed by all the beta testers but well just in case it would be really daw/system/OS specific, or a detail gone wrong in the latest build ...

Just tried it in Cubase 7.07. Same problem. Brought up factory patch. Same problem.

Just tried it in Reaper 4.731. Same problem.

Those are the only DAWs I own so there's nothing left to try.

I'm on Windows 7 64 bit. I3 processor, 16 gig ram.

Very strange bug.

[wagtunes]

Okay, I just pulled up the original Syn'X (still running the demo there as I was waiting for Syn'X 2) and it does work but I noticed something interesting and maybe this has to do with the layer lock being done away with.

Here are the steps I took with Syn'X

Step 1) Pulled up INIT patch.

Step 2) Unlocked layer 1 to move attack knob for layer 1.

Step 3) Played random notes. Layer 1 notes would be long attack but layer 2 would be short attack.

Step 4) Unlocked layer 2. Changed attack to long attack.

Step 5) Played random notes. Now all notes have long attack.

So could this have something to do with them removing the layer locks?

** EDIT ** I am noticing that attack has no effect on Filter ENV either.

[Lotuzia]

Last news : Because I foud the various bugs weird, but thought they should be taken seriously because they all came from serious users, I took the liberty to alert Xils-Lab about all the strange things affecting only certain systems, while other work perfect.

According to Xils, there was a bug with the Ilok version ( Including soft Ilok versions, demo versions etc) . Most of the bugs exposed here, as erratic and diverse as they seem, might be all related to this specific Ilok version build.

Stay tuned, I think there will be a new build asap.

( And thanks to Wagtunes for performing the various tests in the different daws )

[wagtunes]

Okay, this is going to sound like a stupid question.

Syn'X works perfectly fine but Syn'X 2 is buggy, at least on my system.

If I buy Syn'X 2, can I get a license to unlock Syn X which appears to be no longer available for sale?

[wagtunes]

Last news : Because I foud the various bugs weird, but thought they should be taken seriously because they all came from serious users, I took the liberty to alert Xils-Lab about all the strange things affecting only certain systems, while other work perfect.

According to Xils, there was a bug with the Ilok version ( Including soft Ilok versions, demo versions etc) . Most of the bugs exposed here, as erratic and diverse as they seem, might be all related to this specific Ilok version build.

Stay tuned, I think there will be a new build asap.

( And thanks to Wagtunes for performing the various tests in the different daws )

No problem. I was a QA tester of software for 5 years. If there are problems with something, I'll usually find them.

[XILS-lab]

Hi Every one,

First thank you for your interest in the Syn'X 2 and secondly, I apologize for the issues you reported :

_ iLok license error : Syn'X 2 (iLok version) was crashing when launch without a valid license. This is fixed now.
_ Attack issue : Ooops . Working on an other project, I left a Test Flag just before the final build. This implied that the Attack of the envelopes wasn't working correctly (of course, previous version was working, explaining why some other testers and sound designers didn't notice it, they were using a version before this build). It's fixed now.
_ The Big GUI was showing a strange image when the mode Advanced Layer was chosen. It's fixed now.

These three bugs has been fixed and the installer is already available (Licenser, iLok, OSX and windows)

Regarding the licenses :
_ Syn'X and Syn'X 2 are sharing the same license. That's why it is free for Syn'X owners. In the other hand, if you are buying and trying Syn'X 2, you can also run the all the previous version of the Syn'X.

_ Soft-iLok : this is available for the iLok protection only and only for the full version, not after asking for a time limited license. If you wish to demo the Syn'X 2 without the iLok device, create an iLok account and just contact us.
_ Sotf-eLicenser is not available

I hope that answers to your question, but feel free to contact us for anything else.

Best regards
Xavier

[wagtunes]

Hi Every one,

First thank you for your interest in the Syn'X 2 and secondly, I apologize for the issues you reported :

_ iLok license error : Syn'X 2 (iLok version) was crashing when launch without a valid license. This is fixed now.
_ Attack issue : Ooops . Working on an other project, I left a Test Flag just before the final build. This implied that the Attack of the envelopes wasn't working correctly (of course, previous version was working, explaining why some other testers and sound designers didn't notice it, they were using a version before this build). It's fixed now.
_ The Big GUI was showing a strange image when the mode Advanced Layer was chosen. It's fixed now.

These three bugs has been fixed and the installer is already available (Licenser, iLok, OSX and windows)

Regarding the licenses :
_ Syn'X and Syn'X 2 are sharing the same license. That's why it is free for Syn'X owners. In the other hand, if you are buying and trying Syn'X 2, you can also run the all the previous version of the Syn'X.

_ Soft-iLok : this is available for the iLok protection only and only for the full version, not after asking for a time limited license. If you wish to demo the Syn'X 2 without the iLok device, create an iLok account and just contact us.
_ Sotf-eLicenser is not available

I hope that answers to your question, but feel free to contact us for anything else.

Best regards
Xavier

Thanks Xavier. You are THE best. Love your stuff.

Obviously, I'm going to have to read the manual because there appears to be voice allocation stuff going on that I'm going to have to understand. Here's why.

The attack is working fine now. However, I notice if I play chords of 3 or more notes and play quickly, the second chord has a quick attack at least on one of the notes. Can't quite tell if it's all the notes.

Is this a voice allocation and/or layer thing and what i ultimately have to do is change the ADSR for a second layer or other voices? Or is something else going on here?

Again, I know I have to read the manual and I'm sure this has something to do with layers and/or voice allocation, but I just wanted to ask before I started tearing the manual apart and my hair out of my head in the process.

As much as I love your synths (especially XILS 4) they can be just a bit complex. And that is putting it mildly.

Anyway, the main problem seems to be corrected. Now I just have to understand why this thing is behaving the way it does with the second attack (on quick chord changes) being a fast one.

[Lotuzia]

Thanks Xavier. You are THE best. Love your stuff.

Obviously, I'm going to have to read the manual because there appears to be voice allocation stuff going on that I'm going to have to understand. Here's why.

The attack is working fine now. However, I notice if I play chords of 3 or more notes and play quickly, the second chord has a quick attack at least on one of the notes. Can't quite tell if it's all the notes.

Is this a voice allocation and/or layer thing and what i ultimately have to do is change the ADSR for a second layer or other voices? Or is something else going on here?

Again, I know I have to read the manual and I'm sure this has something to do with layers and/or voice allocation, but I just wanted to ask before I started tearing the manual apart and my hair out of my head in the process.

As much as I love your synths (especially XILS 4) they can be just a bit complex. And that is putting it mildly.

Anyway, the main problem seems to be corrected. Now I just have to understand why this thing is behaving the way it does with the second attack (on quick chord changes) being a fast one.

For those who like to go with the *init patch* :

1/ In the Easy Mode , you can specify the polyphony of each of the two synths.( Up to 8 voices for each synthesizer/layer)
2/ In the Advanced Mode Edit, you have to allocate voices yourself to any of the two keyboards. And the polyphony for any of the two keyboards can be anything from 1 to 16, and include any number of different synthesizers ( up to 8 )

I'd strongly suggest to read the first chapters of the manual : It has been completely rewritten, and, imho, give a good and clear idea of what is the Syn'X 2.

For those who want to edit preset, or mainly adapt them to context :
1/ In the Edit mode, everything is displayed on one screen, and you can switch between the two keyboards, and edit each of them as you would edit any standard synthesizer, ..... except that you have much more possibilities and power

2/ In the advanced Mode : I'd strongly suggest again that you read at least the first 7 chapters of the manual, to understand the global structure of the Syn'x 2, ( ie up to 8 synthesizers that can be combined in many ways, similar to a Matrix 12) and learn at least how to manage layers ( select, multiselect, copy, paste etc), and voice allocations.

So the Syn'X 2 can be very simple in Eazy mode and you can build patches like in any other synthesizer. If you like depth of programming and complexity, you'll also go incredibly deep with the advanced mode . But you'll go much faster ...... if you rtfm

LtZ

[Lotuzia]

Just a few words about the presales linked to the release of the Syn'X 2 beta version.

According to Xils newsletter : People can get 30% discount during the presales.

The MiniWork'X add on soundbank can also be part of the bundle.( around 270 patches, all made with the Eazy Mode, and , therefore, easily editable, adaptable )

[Lotuzia]

_ iLok license error : Syn'X 2 (iLok version) was crashing when launch without a valid license. This is fixed now.
_ Attack issue : Ooops . Working on an other project, I left a Test Flag just before the final build. This implied that the Attack of the envelopes wasn't working correctly (of course, previous version was working, explaining why some other testers and sound designers didn't notice it, they were using a version before this build). It's fixed now.
_ The Big GUI was showing a strange image when the mode Advanced Layer was chosen. It's fixed now.

These three bugs has been fixed and the installer is already available (Licenser, iLok, OSX and windows)

Regarding the licenses :
_ Syn'X and Syn'X 2 are sharing the same license. That's why it is free for Syn'X owners. In the other hand, if you are buying and trying Syn'X 2, you can also run the all the previous version of the Syn'X.

_ Soft-iLok : this is available for the iLok protection only and only for the full version, not after asking for a time limited license. If you wish to demo the Syn'X 2 without the iLok device, create an iLok account and just contact us.
_ Sotf-eLicenser is not available

I hope that answers to your question, but feel free to contact us for anything else.

Best regards
Xavier

Thought the attack bug was indeed a weird thing. Now I understand why nobody did see it, Thanks for the info. Glad it has been fixed and that the new installers are already there.

[wagtunes]

Question: Does the Syn'X 2 demo time out? Was doing something else for a while, went back to it and no sound. Had to reload.

[penguinfromdeep]

The chorus dry / wet doesn't seem to do anything, the chorus seems to be 100% wet all the time .. Btw. really liking this new version, thanks for the generosity of giving version 2 for free!

[XILS-lab]

Question: Does the Syn'X 2 demo time out? Was doing something else for a while, went back to it and no sound. Had to reload.

Yes, sorry, I forgot to tell this on our website.
Every around 15 minutes, the synthesizer is by-passed (output silent)

Best regards
Xavier

[XILS-lab]

The chorus dry / wet doesn't seem to do anything, the chorus seems to be 100% wet all the time .. Btw. really liking this new version, thanks for the generosity of giving version 2 for free!

Thanks for your kind words penguinfromdeep !

I just quickly tested it and it seems to work fine here (Osx).

I will do more test. Are you working on windows ?

Best regards
Xavier

[wagtunes]

Question: Does the Syn'X 2 demo time out? Was doing something else for a while, went back to it and no sound. Had to reload.

Yes, sorry, I forgot to tell this on our website.
Every around 15 minutes, the synthesizer is by-passed (output silent)

Best regards
Xavier

Not a problem. Really loving this. Most definitely going to get it but I do have a question.

I'd actually like to have Syn'X and Syn'X 2. I only have the demo version of Syn'X and it appears the the full version isn't even available for download anymore.

So, my question is this. After getting Syn'X 2, how do I get the full version of Syn'X? Is that still even possible?