I want to do a vocal chain with deesser inserted in the matrix.
And also I'd like to create various effects using multiband.
I tried the crossover but I don't get how it can possibly do what I want it's like I need one more split inside one crossover.
Also does a deeser needs linear phase processing?
What about low end compression on palm muting for exemple does it need linear phase too?
How can you create a Multiband Compressor in MXXX without using the top multiband ?
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- KVRAF
- 10367 posts since 2 Sep, 2003 from Surrey, UK
Not sure that I understand completely, but ...
Yes, from its parameter list Crossover does seem to have up to 6 Bands, but I cannot see how to add them. Perhaps, by design, it should only have two bands; if so then could you add another crossover?
Linear Phase for De-esser - not sure, many have it, in some it in optional. Why not use the Linear Phase EQ and you can always select 'Normal' mode?
Yes, from its parameter list Crossover does seem to have up to 6 Bands, but I cannot see how to add them. Perhaps, by design, it should only have two bands; if so then could you add another crossover?
Linear Phase for De-esser - not sure, many have it, in some it in optional. Why not use the Linear Phase EQ and you can always select 'Normal' mode?
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- KVRian
- 1094 posts since 23 Sep, 2006
I dont have it in front of me, but i think you right click on the Cross module and select the number of outputs, at least that's how I set up my 24 band limiter 
I believe it maxes out at four because of the number of columns MXXX has... so if you need more, then you need to start using the standard crossover above the bands and subsection off each band into four more bands each.
I believe it maxes out at four because of the number of columns MXXX has... so if you need more, then you need to start using the standard crossover above the bands and subsection off each band into four more bands each.-
- KVRAF
- 10367 posts since 2 Sep, 2003 from Surrey, UK
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 923 posts since 8 Aug, 2011
Ok now were getting somewhere tx for the right click info...
If I want to put say an EQ after the crossover is it possible to steal all inputs to get the split signals back into one signal ? Or do I absolutely need a mixer to get them back togheter ?
My question about phasing issue using a deesser is...is there a phasing issue ? cause there is usally no post EQ processing when using a deesser I was wondering if I needed something here to cope up with phasing or not ??
If I want to put say an EQ after the crossover is it possible to steal all inputs to get the split signals back into one signal ? Or do I absolutely need a mixer to get them back togheter ?
My question about phasing issue using a deesser is...is there a phasing issue ? cause there is usally no post EQ processing when using a deesser I was wondering if I needed something here to cope up with phasing or not ??
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- KVRAF
- 10367 posts since 2 Sep, 2003 from Surrey, UK
I reckon that you'll need a mixer module.
De-esser / phasing: if the only audio is that from the De-seer then you should be ok, But you'll have other tracks won't you, so LinearPhase would be better.
De-esser / phasing: if the only audio is that from the De-seer then you should be ok, But you'll have other tracks won't you, so LinearPhase would be better.
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MeldaProduction MeldaProduction https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=176122 - KVRAF
- 14339 posts since 15 Mar, 2008 from Czech republic
No no no folks 
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First of all, phasing WOULD be a problem here! If you need a crossover with 6 bands, use the main crossover. If you need a crossover with 4 bands (or less) and want to put it into one modular matrix (which is advised), use the Crossover FX like this (!!!) :
To set the number of bands, simply click the Crossover FX with right mouse button and set the number of outputs
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If you need MORE than 6 bands, then you need to combine both methods. In that case you MUST use Crossover FX as linear-phase mode and you need to add this module to all of the MXXX bands. Otherwise there would be a phase shift and the bands wouldn't add up correctly.
. First of all, phasing WOULD be a problem here! If you need a crossover with 6 bands, use the main crossover. If you need a crossover with 4 bands (or less) and want to put it into one modular matrix (which is advised), use the Crossover FX like this (!!!) :
To set the number of bands, simply click the Crossover FX with right mouse button and set the number of outputs
.If you need MORE than 6 bands, then you need to combine both methods. In that case you MUST use Crossover FX as linear-phase mode and you need to add this module to all of the MXXX bands. Otherwise there would be a phase shift and the bands wouldn't add up correctly.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 923 posts since 8 Aug, 2011
Here's what I've done as a deesser and start of vocal chain.
Crossover set to linear phase so Am I good to continue with this base here?
And also look ahead I dont really hear a difference on my vocal but do you guys think it can be usefull generally speaking ?
I also plan to split signal again with crossover to add disto\saturation and reverb ...but I need input on the phase thing ...
Crossover set to linear phase so Am I good to continue with this base here?
And also look ahead I dont really hear a difference on my vocal but do you guys think it can be usefull generally speaking ?
I also plan to split signal again with crossover to add disto\saturation and reverb ...but I need input on the phase thing ...
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- KVRAF
- 14339 posts since 15 Mar, 2008 from Czech republic
Looks good, no need for linear-phase though . Only if you are mixing multiple versions of the same audio (e.g. use the main crossover, see my post above).
Be careful with look-ahead though - you would delay that part of the spectrum, but NOT the others. So phasing issues again, maybe even true delay... I'd stay away from it or use Utility FX on the other bands to compensate the latency.
. Only if you are mixing multiple versions of the same audio (e.g. use the main crossover, see my post above).Be careful with look-ahead though - you would delay that part of the spectrum, but NOT the others. So phasing issues again, maybe even true delay... I'd stay away from it or use Utility FX on the other bands to compensate the latency.