Cubase or Logic ?

[macmuse]

Maybe things have changed with newer versions of Cubase but IIRC it had been said that it worked better on a PC than Mac...so it's good that your questions are directed at Mac users on this.

I use Logic and don't have problems with it, but my projects don't have as high a track count as yours do. I was a Cubase user a long time ago but didn't get on with it much. Saw a demo being done a few years ago and it was a very capable, impressive DAW (demo was on a PC, FWIW).

[Sylvaan]

Try out S1, there's a free 30 day demo so unlike Cubase you can actually try before you buy.

... Well you can try Cubase too, but you have to pay for an eLicenser first.

[djeos546]

Maybe things have changed with newer versions of Cubase but IIRC it had been said that it worked better on a PC than Mac...so it's good that your questions are directed at Mac users on this.

I use Logic and don't have problems with it, but my projects don't have as high a track count as yours do. I was a Cubase user a long time ago but didn't get on with it much. Saw a demo being done a few years ago and it was a very capable, impressive DAW (demo was on a PC, FWIW).

But you do have that automation delay problem in Logic, right ? All Logic users I know have it, and it's really annoying (especially for EDM, where automation has to be very precise).

Try out S1, there's a free 30 day demo so unlike Cubase you can actually try before you buy.
... Well you can try Cubase too, but you have to pay for an eLicenser first.

Downloading it right now !
Wait... E-Licenser, isn't that the thing I use for Nexus ? Small USB key you have to plug in to get access to the program, right ?

[Passing Bye]

Reaper ? A friend of mine tried it, didn't work. It's good for small projects, etc, but it can't handle a huge Uplifting Trance project like I do.

Reaper, really, wow, seriously, just try it but again OS X, but how terribly worse it can get there, I mean, only for small projects, wow, are we talking about same Reaper

[djeos546]

Reaper ? A friend of mine tried it, didn't work. It's good for small projects, etc, but it can't handle a huge Uplifting Trance project like I do.

Reaper, really, wow, seriously, just try it but again OS X, but how terribly worse it can get there, I mean, only for small projects, wow, are we talking about same Reaper

Added to my "to be tried" list ! But I'll try cubase first : downloading it right now !

[Passing Bye]

Added to my "to be tried" list ! But I'll try Cubase and S1 first I think.

Sure, it's wise to have your own experience and opinion about it in the end of the day, if anything it's stable, light and maintained, that's his thing, when I saw only small projects, I taught you mixed something up

[Orbit-50]

As I said I tend to believe that an old DAW will have more functions, but I might try on of the recent ones that will take me into the future by actually designing usability and stability rather than just pouring more features into it that will probably never be used, but am supposed to be enamored by, and companies who design software with users in mind, instead of resting on their laurels and brand name marketing to satisfy their lust for profits and losing sight of what progress actually is because the people who started the vision years ago have been pushed out of the way by jet set bureaucrats who's sole purpose is to sit in a hot tub all day with scantily clad women and eat cheese and drink wine until they fall asleep and start the process again the next and so on and so forth...

I fixed that for you. You don't owe me any money. It was for free.

.-.

[djeos546]

As I said I tend to believe that an old DAW will have more functions, but I might try on of the recent ones that will take me into the future by actually designing usability and stability rather than just pouring more features into it that will probably never be used, but am supposed to be enamored by, and companies who design software with users in mind, instead of resting on their laurels and brand name marketing to satisfy their lust for profits and losing sight of what progress actually is because the people who started the vision years ago have been pushed out of the way by jet set bureaucrats who's sole purpose is to sit in a hot tub all day with scantily clad women and eat cheese and drink wine until they fall asleep and start the process again the next and so on and so forth...

I fixed that for you. You don't owe me any money. It was for free.

.-.

I knew I shouldn't have said it that way ! ;p
I often prefer an old program to a new one. Basically, if Cubase is still there in 2015 there is a reason. I'm not sur what will happen to a DAW whose first version dates back to 2 years ago in a few years.
About the features that will never be used : I've heard that for some of Logic 10's features. Smart Controls ? I use it all the time to find the name of some parameters for the automation. Groups ? Well now you cans layer synths easily. I could go on for a looooong time... If I use Logic or Cubase, I'm nearly sure that if I discover a new way of doing sth, I'll be able to do it, while a recent DAW might lack some features that I would wanna use.
On the other hand, when you see that Cubase can still not have more than 8 FX on a track...

[Orbit-50]

I knew I shouldn't have said it that way ! ;p
I often prefer an old program to a new one. Basically, if Cubase is still there in 2015 there is a reason. I'm not sur what will happen to a DAW whose first version dates back to 2 years ago in a few years.
About the features that will never be used : I've heard that for some of Logic 10's features. Smart Controls ? I use it all the time to find the name of some parameters for the automation. Groups ? Well now you cans layer synths easily. I could go on for a looooong time... If I use Logic or Cubase, I'm nearly sure that if I discover a new way of doing sth, I'll be able to do it, while a recent DAW might lack some features that I would wanna use.

I understand. I use to be like that also. It's just that I'm finding that the newer, leaner DAW's built today are outperforming the dinosaurs of yesteryear. I am shocked, because you would think that would not be the case. This is just my opinion of course. YMMV.

.-.

[djeos546]

I understand. I use to be like that also. It's just that I'm finding that the newer, leaner DAW's built today are outperforming the dinosaurs of yesteryear. I am shocked, because you would think that would not be the case. This is just my opinion of course. YMMV.
.-.

I know that for specific things, new (or different) DAWs are better. I've used FL studio a little on windows, and I really liked the "same region" concept : when the same region is at different places in the track, editing one edits all of them. That is great ! On the other hand, you can't move juste 1 automation point, there's no easy way to delete an instrument (you have to unlink everything), it's a pain in the ass as soon as you try to use an audio clip more than one time, it always crashes when you don't save for 2 minutes, ...
That's a situation I wanna try to avoid.

[Passing Bye]

You will find so much annoying stuff in other DAW's too, when all comes together that stuff you are annoyed with Logic will seem bearable again, they all suck in some way, but we all pick lesser evil and live with that

But who knows, maybe you really got fed up and something else is actually making better case and yet something else is worth putting up with

[djeos546]

You will find so much annoying stuff in other DAW's too, when all comes together that stuff you are annoyed with Logic will seem bearable again, they all suck in some way, but we all pick lesser evil and live with that

But who knows, maybe you really got fed up and something else is actually making better case and yet something else is worth putting up with

I know all DAWs have their problems. It's just that cubase seems to work pretty much like logic, so that's the one I'm gonna try first. But as I said, if I don't like cubase, I'll try another one until I find !

[Passing Bye]

I know all DAWs have their problems. It's just that cubase seems to work pretty much like logic, so that's the one I'm gonna try first. But as I said, if I don't like cubase, I'll try another one until I find !

Don't exclude Bitwig either, it's not that far away and you might get kick from new workflow approach, clip launching and stuff, sense Live will freak you out properly and what's left on OS X that is worth mentioning, yeah, pretty much you are back on Logic in 2 hours

[djeos546]

I know all DAWs have their problems. It's just that cubase seems to work pretty much like logic, so that's the one I'm gonna try first. But as I said, if I don't like cubase, I'll try another one until I find !

Don't exclude Bitwig either, it's not that far away and you might get kick from new workflow approach, clip launching and stuff, sense Live will freak you out properly and what's left on OS X that is worth mentioning, yeah, pretty much you are back on Logic in 2 hours

In my opinion, Live & Bitwig are the same : good for audio, horrible when you wanna use instruments.

[Passing Bye]

I know all DAWs have their problems. It's just that cubase seems to work pretty much like logic, so that's the one I'm gonna try first. But as I said, if I don't like cubase, I'll try another one until I find !

Don't exclude Bitwig either, it's not that far away and you might get kick from new workflow approach, clip launching and stuff, sense Live will freak you out properly and what's left on OS X that is worth mentioning, yeah, pretty much you are back on Logic in 2 hours

In my opinion, Live & Bitwig are the same : good for audio, horrible when you wanna use instruments.

Yeah, personal preferences, personally MIDI/VI's/"creative" stuff is good on them, audio/mixing/recording is not that much, Bitwig is leaning towards more linear approach than Live tho, which is more bearable for someone used to likes of Logic/Cubase/Reaper/S1/etc, but preferences.