MuLab 6.5.29 released

[sbj]

Could that be set so background tasks work while the interface is being tweaked etc. ??? Seems like I have to select interface again to enable playback.recording over and over. Hmmm...

When I control the transport panel with my Axiom midi controller I can start and stop etc.
even when the focus is on something else.

[NadirToZenith]

hey, Taron,

as much as I have always loved the idea of having some math modules available, I understand the complication of anti-aliasing for sounds, which makes such modules probably a little trickier to universally offer, I could imagine. But it would most certainly add another dimension to the design possibilities.

quite possibly, mostly in the control area, not every mathematical expression would cause antialiasing, but being the non-programmer, can not be sure (quite happily would like to risk it, though).

However, as for mastering tools... man, I really would like for you to see my face when I'm trying to explain that, haha... it's so difficult, I'm all contorted. <sigh> ok, I... maybe I will devote some time to see, if I can come up with a mastering mux that mimics the beauty of Maxwell_Smart or even "LoudMax". They are very explicit: INPUT gain turns into OUTPUT gain.
For example, you can see that your original gain peaks at around -7db. So You set your INPUT(original) gain to -7db and your OUTPUT gain to 0db and it will push everything up to 0 db, while it also levels out what goes beyond -7db. It's most certainly a combination of compression and limiter, but the result is simply perfect. I mean: perfect. No distortion, no surprising peaks or anything, it's just rock solid.

these plug-ins must be tested here yet, but will be done.
it feels that such more complex than simple linear behaviour (not stating that muxes are working that way) could only be modelled with the additional possibilities, mostly in the control signal region.
weighting one envelope follower, its behaviour, for example, with regards to the audio signal level, to the different regions of it (below, above, threshold, also the absolute value), needs more complex possibilities than currently available (even the simple expression module could not be enough), defining curves, formulae, for governing its reaction could be one step for the flexible solution.

As for the filter section. I wished it was possible to control the frequency drop-off more obviously. If I use a lowpass or a highpass, I wished I could get sharper drops without pushing up the threshold frequency. In other words, I'd love to have more control over the shape of the filters, that includes the peak (EQ) filters, of course. For a totally comfortable mastering, I'm sure not only a graphical display, but even more "brutal" control would really be ideal.

that is why the mention of full modularity, of embedded language, with, through, these it could be possible (for persons with the knowledge) to build new functions, perhaps even whole new modules (dreaming, of course).

These are the "two" troubles I have with mastering mux modules. And I still feel somewhat insecure to talk about these.

am really glad you mentioned these, because even after this short interval of trying the program, had the very same feelings about the capabilities of it.
your insecure feeling is understood, but doesn't this forum exist here for talking about all things imagined, all things hoped for?

Besides those little things: THANK YOU, JO, I'm very happy you feel that way and I'm beyond happy I found you!

please add to these one simple expression (^n).

all the best, am really happy being able to talk, to write, here...

being no born english speaker, quite sure am using loads of mistakes in grammar, in word usage, please, if something is not clear enough, mention it, then it will be, hopefully, corrected.

[DHR53]

Well hard wiring the keyboard to those functions may be available, but I've never been able to get my (old) keyboard Edirol PCR30 to work in MuLab for that purpose. So that's another topic. However, some DAWs do function that way... i.e. the focus is on the arrange window whether a plugin is open or not. I thought it worked that way at one time?

[AndreasD]

As for the filter section. I wished it was possible to control the frequency drop-off more obviously. If I use a lowpass or a highpass, I wished I could get sharper drops without pushing up the threshold frequency.

Are you talking about keep the same cutoff but get steeper filters?
If yes, look e.g. at Butterworth filter settings which are the 'maximum flat with minimum overshot/reso' setup)

1st order Butterworth: Q of .5 (thats the 6dB LP)
2nd order: Q of .707 (thats the regular MultiModeFilter)
3rd order: Q of .5 and 2nd order with Q of 1 (6dB + MMF)
4th order: Q of .541 and Q of 1.31 (2 x MMF)
5th order: Q of .5, Q of .618 and Q of 1.618 (6dB LF + 2 x MMF)
Set the freq of all fiters the same and Q at the above values (doesn't matter which is first). Use a Constant Modulator to all filter equally for increase resonance. The above is for LP but is valid for HP as well. Tip: '6dB HP' = 1 - '6dB LP'

And as for math:
Add/sub audio or modulation by simply add the signals at one input.
A Ring modulator multiplies audio (X^2) put some in series and you get X^n.
The Mod Mapper with the same signal at Input and Amplitude = X^2.
An amplifier (audio or modulation) multiplies and divides.
The curves, present in a lot of modules, provide sin/cos/log/x^n/bitreduction/waveshaping/...

Does this help?
I recognize that i sometimes misread people

[Taron]

It sounds very interesting, thanks, Andreas!

[NadirToZenith]

hello, Andreas,

1st order Butterworth: Q of .5 (thats the 6dB LP)
2nd order: Q of .707 (thats the regular MultiModeFilter)
3rd order: Q of .5 and 2nd order with Q of 1 (6dB + MMF)
4th order: Q of .541 and Q of 1.31 (2 x MMF)
5th order: Q of .5, Q of .618 and Q of 1.618 (6dB LF + 2 x MMF)
Set the freq of all fiters the same and Q at the above values (doesn't matter which is first). Use a Constant Modulator to all filter equally for increase resonance. The above is for LP but is valid for HP as well. Tip: '6dB HP' = 1 - '6dB LP'
math:
Add/sub audio or modulation by simply add the signals at one input.
A Ring modulator multiplies audio (X^2) put some in series and you get X^n.
The Mod Mapper with the same signal at Input and Amplitude = X^2.
An amplifier (audio or modulation) multiplies and divides.
The curves, present in a lot of modules, provide sin/cos/log/x^n/bitreduction/waveshaping/...

many thanks for these!
precisely, this amazing way to visualise even simple math (or backwards, what is done by modules into math) is what is missing in the ways of my thinking abilities (then, of course, comes the overcomplication of possible solutions).

one would be able to model the different gain, curve, dependencies, too, present in some of the best units, plug-ins.

on my wish list though, for the far future still, there would be one module, could be called control signal balancer (both versions similar to the audio balancer module).

within that, or everywhere where selection is possible, the inclusion of one spline kind curve in the list of possible curves (with vertically movable start, end, points, the tangent length, angle, values to be set, possibly with the addition of plus one, in both direction, movable central point, with adjustable tangent length, angle, values, making the three points curve).

thanks again for your thinking about these things, wish you all the best...

[MuTools]

A question... When selecting a VST the focus is on the interface. So no background functions work like playback etc. Is there a setting for that? Thought I remembered something, maybe not? Thanks!

I double-checked this (open VST editor, then press spacebar to start playing) and all was working fine.

[MuTools]

I... maybe I will devote some time to see, if I can come up with a mastering mux that mimics the beauty of Maxwell_Smart or even "LoudMax". They are very explicit: INPUT gain turns into OUTPUT gain.
For example, you can see that your original gain peaks at around -7db. So You set your INPUT(original) gain to -7db and your OUTPUT gain to 0db and it will push everything up to 0 db, while it also levels out what goes beyond -7db. It's most certainly a combination of compression and limiter, but the result is simply perfect. I mean: perfect. No distortion, no surprising peaks or anything, it's just rock solid.

Did you already explore the new Soft Mode of the Audio Limiter, it's really very handy.

[MuTools]

Hello ...could you answer my question please? Thank you...

Hey, I just realized that same thing and wondered, if that was something new? Felt like it didn't act that way before, right, with losing focus of the background - like the virtual keyboard, for example.
Even weirder is, that not all VSTs seem to act that way!

Could you elaborate ps cause i don't know what this is about. Thx.

[Taron]

Hm, that's funky. In 26 it seems fine again. In 25 I had the trouble that the virtual keyboard would not work while I was on the interface of the "Charlatan 2" vst UI, for example. Now it seems to be ok again.

"Nevermind", I would say.

Oh, and, yes, I did experiment with the new limiter and the soft mode. It's certainly helpful.

[sbj]

A question... When selecting a VST the focus is on the interface. So no background functions work like playback etc. Is there a setting for that? Thought I remembered something, maybe not? Thanks!

I double-checked this (open VST editor, then press spacebar to start playing) and all was working fine.

My experience: Some plugins works like intended while others don't.
My SR202 drum machine allows space bar START/STOP while for example
Bazille doesn't.

[MuTools]

If the VST editor is taking keyboard focus, then yes it is taking keyboard focus. Can't help that. Ideally non-consumed key presses should travel further from the VST to the host, but it depends on the VST whether it is gentle to do so.

[MorpherX]

Hi,

where is MUX Modular 6.5 for download, can't find it.

Thanks !

[bibz1st]

I think Mux 6.5 is still brewing so its not ready yet.

[MuTools]

MUX Modular 6.5 pre-release will be available very soon, maybe already later today.