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reflex · Post by **reflex** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:07 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:Why would they bother doing a 32 bit bit version of something these days? Is this a limiting factor for the instruments too?

Two reasons:
- a 32bit OSX version is better than no OSX version
- if and when Embarcadero add a 64bit OSX compiler to Delphi, we'll have most of the work done so a 64bit version should be available quite quickly

I bought Harmor on sale hoping they'd get it done soon and move it to 64 bit but I'm losing hope.

The Windows version of Harmor has a 64bit version. The OSX version doesn't, but then again it hasn't been released yet either (other than in beta form).

reflex · Post by **reflex** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:10 pm

Jace-BeOS wrote:Have they determined yet if the Mac license will be part of the lifetime upgrade licensing already paid for, or if it will require a new purchase?

We haven't decided yet.

I expect that it won't require a new purchase, but that's just my personal opinion.

reflex · Post by **reflex** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:13 pm

Jace-BeOS wrote:Delphi is a nice system. I've used it. But image-line doesn't use the Delphi APIs as far as I can tell. I'm not sure why they're not migrating from it. Their GUI is all custom code and GUI is the biggest issue with cross platform which is why a RAD like Delphi is even useful, right??

We do use a number of Delphi features, not least of which the ObjectPascal language. Switching away from Delphi would definitely not be easy. We did use FreePascal for 64bit plugin support for a while, but it gave some problems.

That Delphi has no 64-bit on Mac... Seems like the developers of Delphi haven't really clearly thought out the whole mission to expand their market to Mac very clearly. Who's the owner of Delphi these days???

They seem to think 64bit iOS development is more important and they should know their target market better than I do.

Maybe in the next version.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:51 pm

reflex wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:Why would they bother doing a 32 bit bit version of something these days? Is this a limiting factor for the instruments too?
Two reasons:
- a 32bit OSX version is better than no OSX version
- if and when Embarcadero add a 64bit OSX compiler to Delphi, we'll have most of the work done so a 64bit version should be available quite quickly

I bought Harmor on sale hoping they'd get it done soon and move it to 64 bit but I'm losing hope.
The Windows version of Harmor has a 64bit version. The OSX version doesn't, but then again it hasn't been released yet either (other than in beta form).

Well at least I'm using Bitwig, which does load 32bit plug-ins. However it makes me nervous as some people say it causes instability mixing 32 and 64bit plug-ins. I've had some plug-in crashes but don' t know the cause.

Anyways, while I can use it 32bit, the bigger issue is that it's been in the same state for quite a long while now where there have been significant glitches like the frequency display doesn't open. Are you guys going to turn your attention back to finishing the 32bit version soon.

Glad to hear it won't be much work if Delphi goes 64bit. But I guess I shouldn't really hope for that as it's uncertain. I kind of wish I knew about this stuff when I bought it...

reflex · Post by **reflex** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:01 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:Well at least I'm using Bitwig, which does load 32bit plug-ins. However it makes me nervous as some people say it causes instability mixing 32 and 64bit plug-ins. I've had some plug-in crashes but don' t know the cause.

I don't know how it would work in OSX or how Bitwig actually does it, but normally it'll run the 32bit plugin in a separate process and communicate with that. The problem is that this communication is different than what plugins and hosts expect and there might indeed be instability because of that (as well as some added processing time).

I couldn't say if it's the cause of the plugin crashes. It could just be that the current Harmor for OSX is buggy.

Anyways, while I can use it 32bit, the bigger issue is that it's been in the same state for quite a long while now where there have been significant glitches like the frequency display doesn't open. Are you guys going to turn your attention back to finishing the 32bit version soon.

The plugin betas were mostly a way to see if there was any point in starting on FL for OSX at all. The focus for OSX now is on FL and not on the plugins.

If and when FL for OSX is finished, we'll get back to the VST (and if possible AU) plugins.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:17 pm

Thanks for the replies to our nagging questions

32-bit ... FL on Mac still has my curiosity, because FL has some unique sound generation.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:42 pm

So where do we get hold of this alpha? Also does it run in demo or full mode at the moment for testers?

Phorous · Post by **Phorous** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:38 pm

Its a shame that Delphi doesn't adopt an LLVM backend for their compiler, that way it could support pretty much any CPU architecture.

Still, good to see progress on the situation from FL. 32 bit is still leaps and bounds better than a crossover solution.

reflex · Post by **reflex** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:08 pm

aMUSEd wrote:So where do we get hold of this alpha? Also does it run in demo or full mode at the moment for testers?

It's available in our FL OSX forum:
http://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic.p ... 5&t=145057

I'm not sure about demo mode or not (don't have an OSX machine around right now).

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:52 pm

Downloaded... played back a beat in pattern mode. Loaded a 3 osc. Crash! Frozen now... Fun while it lasted.

hueynym · Post by **hueynym** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:37 pm

Not sure if it was just me, but after my install of the alpha on my Mac (OSX 10.10.4) The app's executable name is "osxFL" which isn't very helpful when one is searching for FL Studio or Image-Line, but just in case somebody else gets a little anxious (and installs 3 times like I did) it's called "osxFL" (and if I changed the name, it wouldn't load, but now that I know, it's okay)

Only had one crash (not that I tried it very long, or to do anything other than ensure that it loaded - which it does, for me).

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:02 pm

DHR53 wrote:Downloaded... played back a beat in pattern mode. Loaded a 3 osc. Crash! Frozen now... Fun while it lasted.

If you read the thread below, you would have seen that's a known bug. And expected.

Regards Scott

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:02 pm

hueynym wrote:Not sure if it was just me, but after my install of the alpha on my Mac (OSX 10.10.4) The app's executable name is "osxFL" which isn't very helpful when one is searching for FL Studio or Image-Line, but just in case somebody else gets a little anxious (and installs 3 times like I did) it's called "osxFL" (and if I changed the name, it wouldn't load, but now that I know, it's okay)

Only had one crash (not that I tried it very long, or to do anything other than ensure that it loaded - which it does, for me).

This was mentioned in the written in red installation instructions along with a big screenshot, that you scrolled over to get to the installation link?

Regards Scott

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:31 am

Image-Line wrote:
hueynym wrote:Not sure if it was just me, but after my install of the alpha on my Mac (OSX 10.10.4) The app's executable name is "osxFL" which isn't very helpful when one is searching for FL Studio or Image-Line, but just in case somebody else gets a little anxious (and installs 3 times like I did) it's called "osxFL" (and if I changed the name, it wouldn't load, but now that I know, it's okay)

Only had one crash (not that I tried it very long, or to do anything other than ensure that it loaded - which it does, for me).
This was mentioned in the written in red installation instructions along with a big screenshot, that you scrolled over to get to the installation link?

(image removed to conserve screen space)

Regards Scott

I personally got the download from a blog post (that was linked to here on KVR) that didn't have any such image or instructions. The 'real' download seems to be behind a forum that requires registration that I don't wish to sign up for currently.

I was also confused about the file name, and I don't understand why the snark is necessary.

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:35 am

Robert Randolph wrote: I personally got the download from a blog post (that was linked to here on KVR) that didn't have any such image or instructions.

I was also confused about the file name, and I don't understand why the snark is necessary.

Well we don't ever post anything for download anywhere but on our own forums, news posts and servers. So I have no idea what you downloaded, but it does explain the failure to follow instructions

It's not a 'snark' it's a clarification, people are complaining about stuff that we clearly explained on the official post.

http://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic.p ... 5&t=145057

Regards Scott

FL Studio Mac Alpha Testing in July