What is the next step after Poizone? / What's inspiring you right now?

[ariston]

Does IL have any modern subractive synth in their lineup?

Not sure what you mean by "modern", but Sawer sounds pretty nice.

[fluffy_little_something]

I still have Sawer (along with FL, free and lifetime like AIDS once you have it ), I only remember it vaguely, but it was very basic already years ago. Not to mention a CPU hog. I would not call it modern. Anyway, I was just wondering as they seem to prefer the more digital stuff...

[Numanoid]

Does IL have any modern subractive synth in their lineup?

Why do they want to, subtractive synths are so passe these days aren't they.

Users want the Serum kind of plug, and IL matches that with Harmor

[fluffy_little_something]

You're trying to be ironic, right?

[EvilDragon]

Analogue
I'm sticking to soft synths as analogue is quite expensive, might need repairing, and my keyboard skills are pretty non-existent (you record the sound as a wav not in piano roll right?)

BS2 or Blofeld are both around 400e

Except Blofeld isn't analog.

[Numanoid]

You're trying to be ironic, right?

I dunno, searching the KVR database doesn't display many thorough bred new subtractive/analogue style plugs

[Moarphine]

Analogue
I'm sticking to soft synths as analogue is quite expensive, might need repairing, and my keyboard skills are pretty non-existent (you record the sound as a wav not in piano roll right?)

BS2 or Blofeld are both around 400e You can stick them to your computer via USB but you need to record the sound (you can use them with pianoroll, just like vsts). Plus IF the the "dev" shuts down the business, you still have that fine piece of gear that never goes old instead of useless piece of code that won't propably work after 10 years unless you have some legacy pc hidden in your basement

Oxium
The Xils lab products look awesome, and Oxium sounds splendid. But I don't want to deal with the headache of a dongle.

Oxium is serial protected. I sold mine.. I really liked/loved it but found that it's quite difficult synth to make sound good. Though when you succeed, it's rewarding and sounds awesome.

I'm going with Hive!

Great decision I didn't recommend that to you though since it's really simple synth and I thought that it wouldn't give you much more than what you already have with poizone.

Interesting, so analog works the same as software, in terms of recording the audio. I'm on my second midi controller, and it just died. Neither manufacturer or Sweetwater are responding. If I can't get it sorted with them I'll be in the market for a new keyboard. Should it come to that I'll look into it. The prices of midi controllers (at least from my hometown bricks and morter stores) are getting pretty ridiculous. They are charging 300USD and up for decent models.

The Xils lab products sound superb. Xils 4 looks intense, and the PolyKB demo of the Forbidden Planet sounds was sonic crack; I loved it! I had already looked into Oxium but I thought they were all Steinberg protected.

I have it up and working, it expands on Poizone on all the right places. Has the basic waveforms down, sub osc, easy vibrato, modulators (this is the main thing I want), and the effects / arp / sequencer is massive. Plus it looks pretty

Same with me, I just don't have any feeling for something like Sytrus, it is the opposite of intuitive.
I always liked Poizone, the interface feels like hardware. But its sound is quite noisy. 500 patches for that synth is quite an achievement, are there even that many control setting combinations?
Does IL have any modern subractive synth in their lineup?

(I am selling Hive, just saying as you seem to like it...)

The sound is so noisy and electric, I have a patch called what is Diva There is that many control settings! The only thing I could never get right was a voice bases like 'yois'; what a loss Doesn't synth1 have 10000 presets made for it? I was going for 1000 Poizone presets, I didn't hit a wall but it started to get a little uninspiring.

Does IL have any modern subractive synth in their lineup?

Why do they want to, subtractive synths are so passe these days aren't they.

Users want the Serum kind of plug, and IL matches that with Harmor

I guess they still have to make sales. The harmor demo just bothers me, I'm not sure why. The irony is, half of the people buying the lastest FM wavetable additive granular barista mashup vsts can't patch for shit. The KVR members competing in one sound synth comps with freeware subtractives do incredible things.

[Lejurai]

Analogue
I'm sticking to soft synths as analogue is quite expensive, might need repairing, and my keyboard skills are pretty non-existent (you record the sound as a wav not in piano roll right?)

BS2 or Blofeld are both around 400e

Except Blofeld isn't analog.

I know. I mentioned that in my first post.

[Lejurai]

Interesting, so analog works the same as software, in terms of recording the audio. I'm on my second midi controller, and it just died. Neither manufacturer or Sweetwater are responding. If I can't get it sorted with them I'll be in the market for a new keyboard. Should it come to that I'll look into it. The prices of midi controllers (at least from my hometown bricks and morter stores) are getting pretty ridiculous. They are charging 300USD and up for decent models.

The Xils lab products sound superb. Xils 4 looks intense, and the PolyKB demo of the Forbidden Planet sounds was sonic crack; I loved it! I had already looked into Oxium but I thought they were all Steinberg protected.

I have it up and working, it expands on Poizone on all the right places. Has the basic waveforms down, sub osc, easy vibrato, modulators (this is the main thing I want), and the effects / arp / sequencer is massive. Plus it looks pretty

Well.. basically.. I still prefer term Hardware since not all hardware are analog Virus ti snow for example is VA and has a full vst editor and the hardware itself lies (usually) on your table. Maybe you could visit local music store and try some cheap hardware

Oxium, mini synx and xils 3 le use serial.

If you're happy, it's the most important ^^ Seems like I'm starting to have a kvr disease where I just recommend for the most expensive and complicated

[fluffy_little_something]

I guess they still have to make sales. The harmor demo just bothers me, I'm not sure why. The irony is, half of the people buying the lastest FM wavetable additive granular barista mashup vsts can't patch for shit. The KVR members competing in one sound synth comps with freeware subtractives do incredible things.

My impression also. Having a good subtractive synth in your lineup is a money cow because most people still like to use that kind of synth because they are already familiar with the way they work, and they can make most of the sounds people want. Xils, U-he, Arturia, etc. revolve around subtractive synths...

[Lotuzia]

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The Xils lab products sound superb. Xils 4 looks intense, and the PolyKB demo of the Forbidden Planet sounds was sonic crack; I loved it! I had already looked into Oxium but I thought they were all Steinberg protected.

I have it up and working, it expands on Poizone on all the right places. Has the basic waveforms down, sub osc, easy vibrato, modulators (this is the main thing I want), and the effects / arp / sequencer is massive. Plus it looks pretty

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Oxium, mini synx and xils 3 le use serial. .......

Yes Oxium, MiniSyn'X, Xils 3 LE v2 and PolyKB Enhanced Player all use serials. As well as all the analog effect series ( Leslies, Delays, Chorus etc)

Xils 3/4, Syn'X 2 have Soft Ilok available ( similar to NI C/R protection as I see it, no hardware dongle required )

Only PolyKB II, V+ ( VP 330 emulation), and Vocoder 5000 remain Ilok or Elicencer only at the moment ( If I'm not mistaken ...)

[fluffy_little_something]

Why does one and the same company use different copy protection methods? Is it a legacy thing or does it have to do with the different value of the products?

[wagtunes]

I see the OP has made his decision so anything I say is kind of pointless at this point, but if I were starting all over and getting my first synth and wanted something that was simple if I wanted it to be but had the ability to be as complex as I wanted, I too would get MUX. It isn't the greatest sounding synth out there, but it can be stupidly simple or ridiculously complex if you want it to be, more so than Zebra 2.

However, if that kind of complexity isn't required, then I would go with Zebra 2. It also can be very simple and also quite complex in its own right, even though it's not a totally open ended modular like MUX.

If you're looking for a synth with a very simple interface for learning the basics but still has a decent amount of modulation options, I would go with Massive, which can actually get fairly complex if you want to go down that route.

[Lotuzia]

Why does one and the same company use different copy protection methods? Is it a legacy thing or does it have to do with the different value of the products?

I think the general plan is to offer the possibility for everyone to use Xils musical instruments without the need of a mandatory physical dongle.

A few years ago the soft protections were not available ( Soft Elicencer for exemple was only offered to very few companies) , so some serial/timebombs protections schemes were created. Now that the soft ilok is available for all companies, I think that all instruments will be available in this format in the future. Now some people,including me, still prefer dongles to C/R protection schemes. Easier/faster installation, portablility, simultaneous installation on more systems,no need to ask for new install autorisations etc.

Then you must know that the dongle protection have a cost ... for the company ( each licence has a cost ). So it would probably be counterproductive to offer them for units that are very affordable, like the effects line, or Oxium/Xils3 LE/MiniSyn'X/PolyKB II player etc.

[tehlord]

Analogue
I'm sticking to soft synths as analogue is quite expensive, might need repairing, and my keyboard skills are pretty non-existent (you record the sound as a wav not in piano roll right?)

BS2 or Blofeld are both around 400e

Except Blofeld isn't analog.

No no, the meaning has changed.

Anything that doesn't have a software license and has at least one knob is now classified as analogue.