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[aMUSEd]

I would love to see some 'making of...' videos for those (esp Cocoon)

Great work!

Thanks man.

Actually Cocoon is one of the most simple ones. It uses:

9 instances of KS.
5 Instances of B2
1 Izoptope Ozone EQ
1 Waves S1
1 Waves V-Comp
2 Waves L2

There is NO plug-in automation at all.
One Send level (going into B2) is automated.
All tracks have volume automation.

That's it!

It was all done live at the same time and only the master/mix was exported.... see attached. (Zoom and scroll if you are not using a 4K display... )

http://2caudio.com/sitecontent/products ... Mix_KS.png

Thanks - I think I was wondering how you are getting Kaleidoscope to generate the tuned sounds (like a synth) without something feeding sound into it.

[Andrew Souter]

Thanks - I think I was wondering how you are getting Kaleidoscope to generate the tuned sounds (like a synth) without something feeding sound into it.

What do you mean? If you use "white" set to 200% KS will function like a synth and does not need any input sound. (Although some hosts like Logic will disable track processing if there is no audio region in the track, so in this case you have to put some audio region in the track even if it does not actually do anything. This is not needed when inserting in instrument tracks.)

If you then use a "musical" tuning such as "melodic, chordal, or harmonic" the result will sound something like a standard synth in terms of tonality. A lot of the factory preset categories show this stuff.

If you take this kind of thing and feed it into B2 or Aether with a huge preset, behold instant ambient pads which are perfectly tonal and evolve in ways that are very very hard to accomplish with "normal" synths.

Personally so far I have spent the MAJORITY of my time with KS using it in this Generative way...

Let me know if something is not clear.

[aMUSEd]

I think what I was missing was I didn't realise I could insert it in an instrument track and play it with midi - just been using it as an effect - feeding other synths and audio into it.

[Sampleconstruct]

I think what I was missing was I didn't realise I could insert it in an instrument track and play it with midi - just been using it as an effect - feeding other synths and audio into it.

You can't play it with Midi (yet), but you can automate the root note tunings in your DAW.

[aMUSEd]

I think what I was missing was I didn't realise I could insert it in an instrument track and play it with midi - just been using it as an effect - feeding other synths and audio into it.

You can't play it with Midi (yet), but you can automate the root note tunings in your DAW.

Ah but that's what confused me because Andrew said "There is NO plug-in automation at all" so I'm still not clear how it is sounding like it is being played like a synth (particularly that lovely Cocoon track).

[Sampleconstruct]

I think what I was missing was I didn't realise I could insert it in an instrument track and play it with midi - just been using it as an effect - feeding other synths and audio into it.

You can't play it with Midi (yet), but you can automate the root note tunings in your DAW.

Ah but that's what confused me because Andrew said "There is NO plug-in automation at all" so I'm still not clear how it is sounding like it is being played like a synth (particularly that lovely Cocoon track).

I have no idea what Andrew did in that track but there are numerous ways of doing it, like bouncing a texture in one tonality and then bouncing another one in a different tonality, or automating sends to Busses which hold different KS instances all using different tonalities (when using KS as an effect to process external sources).

[Sampleconstruct]

Something to bathe in:

3 instances of KS (chord low/high, deep drone), input source was an external modulated noise oscillator (with some tempo-synced amplitude modulation for the 2 chords), some Relayer/B2/Uhbik Tremolo FX was applied.

http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/c ... -patchpool

[Hez]

For the Bitwig guys, Dom says they've received a test version of KS and are looking into the plugin state loss, but can't guarantee when it'll be fixed. I assume that fix will be extended to all the 2c-Audio plugs once it's sorted.

[Andrew Souter]

Ah but that's what confused me because Andrew said "There is NO plug-in automation at all" so I'm still not clear how it is sounding like it is being played like a synth (particularly that lovely Cocoon track).

If you use a melodic/scale tuning such as semitones, or major, or minor (natural, harmonic, melodic, etc...) or pentatonic scale or any other scale-oriented tuning you can think of the "potential tonality set" as comprising members of this particular tonality. So if you choose "major" for example and reference pitch is C-1 or some other octave of C, all possible "notes" represent the "white notes" on the piano. (Same If you choose natural minor and choose A, or Dorian and you choose D etc). So the potential tonal canvas is constrained to this particular tonality in this case.

The image/picture represents the performance. In this context this is something like MIDI data but much more dense and potentially complex. The image will only "perform" "notes" that are members of the selected tonality.

If the image is designed with this in mind, it can easily create melodic structures and chord progressions etc.

I will post all presets used in this "cocoon" track to demonstrate.

[Sampleconstruct]

Mangling a piano improvisation with KS, it's like adding a subtle string score to the piano:

[Andrew Souter]

soundcloud link for Sonic Mayhem's "Doomsday" album as mentioned previously:

http://soundcloud.com/sonicmayhem/sets/doomsday


I helped him with sound design on this and both he and I used a lot of KS.

All reverb is also 2Caudio. Mostly B2.

Check it out.

[aMUSEd]

Ah but that's what confused me because Andrew said "There is NO plug-in automation at all" so I'm still not clear how it is sounding like it is being played like a synth (particularly that lovely Cocoon track).

If you use a melodic/scale tuning such as semitones, or major, or minor (natural, harmonic, melodic, etc...) or pentatonic scale or any other scale-oriented tuning you can think of the "potential tonality set" as comprising members of this particular tonality. So if you choose "major" for example and reference pitch is C-1 or some other octave of C, all possible "notes" represent the "white notes" on the piano. (Same If you choose natural minor and choose A, or Dorian and you choose D etc). So the potential tonal canvas is constrained to this particular tonality in this case.

The image/picture represents the performance. In this context this is something like MIDI data but much more dense and potentially complex. The image will only "perform" "notes" that are members of the selected tonality.

If the image is designed with this in mind, it can easily create melodic structures and chord progressions etc.

I will post all presets used in this "cocoon" track to demonstrate.

Fab - thanks very much!

[bundoo]

lets say you are shit at scales/tunings and all that jazz...but you've got a bunch of notes you know r working together....would be nice to make tunings based on this...just create a midi clip and drag it into kaleidoscope.....bam....easy...

also would love to see real vocoding and kaleidoscope as playable via midi

[Andrew Souter]

lets say you are shit at scales/tunings and all that jazz...but you've got a bunch of notes you know r working together....would be nice to make tunings based on this...just create a midi clip and drag it into kaleidoscope.....bam....easy...

Yes, on the wish-list...

also would love to see real vocoding and kaleidoscope as playable via midi

some kind of MIDI control is on the wishlist also...

good thoughts.

[bundoo]

Any discounts on architecture for kaleidoscope for owners of older alchemy, absynth, wave form expansions?