Why doesn't Trash 2 get much love at this price ?
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- KVRian
- 1451 posts since 1 Jun, 2008
Because it's bloated with options and pages/submenus. One of the main reasons effects like Ohmicide, Devastor and Permut8 are so popular is that they can do a lot in a single layout, it's all right in front of you like hardware.
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- KVRAF
- 4090 posts since 29 Jun, 2011 from USA
Thing is, not everyone sifts through every post here. Trash2 is one sale, so one does a google search and comes to KVR, there is a big Trash2 thread. Its in this thread where the person doing the research gets some new insights. It's important that the negative is also represented IMO because it might be the only thread one finds. That is why you look at forums, to find people's different experiences.
IMO Trash2 has received way more praise here than negative comments, which are mainly against Izotope anyway, and not the plugin. I don't think it's hate anyway, it's not like we're talking about personalities here, it's just users thoughts on products and companies.
IMO Trash2 has received way more praise here than negative comments, which are mainly against Izotope anyway, and not the plugin. I don't think it's hate anyway, it's not like we're talking about personalities here, it's just users thoughts on products and companies.
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35523 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Its more than two weeks old; there's been other new shiny since then.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 11363 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
Wait... wannabe admins? Who was it that was directing how users should post on KVR?Sampleconstruct wrote:No, of course not, I don't propose policing anything at all, it was just an obsolete thought, forget about it, KVR is what it is and will remain like that anyway - although we do have enough wannabe admins around...elxsound wrote:And you propose to police every thread, which would be just as much a distraction/derailment as are the posts about user complaints? Is that really a solution?Sampleconstruct wrote:But the way it is now in every thread about a product from a company with a bad reputation we can read the identical comments over and over again, that can't be the purpose of KVR either.
Wow.
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- KVRAF
- 11363 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
Squirrel!whyterabbyt wrote:Its more than two weeks old; there's been other new shiny since then.
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Sampleconstruct Sampleconstruct https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=191286 - KVRAF
- 16797 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there
You can deliberately misunderstand me if that increases your forum enjoyment, just enjoy.elxsound wrote:Wait... wannabe admins? Who was it that was directing how users should post on KVR?Sampleconstruct wrote:No, of course not, I don't propose policing anything at all, it was just an obsolete thought, forget about it, KVR is what it is and will remain like that anyway - although we do have enough wannabe admins around...elxsound wrote:And you propose to police every thread, which would be just as much a distraction/derailment as are the posts about user complaints? Is that really a solution?Sampleconstruct wrote:But the way it is now in every thread about a product from a company with a bad reputation we can read the identical comments over and over again, that can't be the purpose of KVR either.
Wow.
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- KVRian
- 677 posts since 8 Apr, 2012
"Why doesn't Trash 2 get much love at this price ?"
I use Melda MBand-Distortion, RP-Distortion and somehow Sugarbytes WOW2 can be very nasty too.
And then there is stuff from IK Multimedia and NI Komplete.
For Saturation there's SDRR and Satin.
So basically it's the same reason as with Echoboy:
There's no need. however, i think trash is a great plug In.
I use Melda MBand-Distortion, RP-Distortion and somehow Sugarbytes WOW2 can be very nasty too.
And then there is stuff from IK Multimedia and NI Komplete.
For Saturation there's SDRR and Satin.
So basically it's the same reason as with Echoboy:
There's no need. however, i think trash is a great plug In.
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- KVRAF
- 11363 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
Not really my cup of tea as far as joy is concerned... If I misunderstood, then all is good.Sampleconstruct wrote:You can deliberately misunderstand me if that increases your forum enjoyment, just enjoy.elxsound wrote:Wait... wannabe admins? Who was it that was directing how users should post on KVR?Sampleconstruct wrote:No, of course not, I don't propose policing anything at all, it was just an obsolete thought, forget about it, KVR is what it is and will remain like that anyway - although we do have enough wannabe admins around...elxsound wrote:And you propose to police every thread, which would be just as much a distraction/derailment as are the posts about user complaints? Is that really a solution?Sampleconstruct wrote:But the way it is now in every thread about a product from a company with a bad reputation we can read the identical comments over and over again, that can't be the purpose of KVR either.
Wow.
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- KVRAF
- 5440 posts since 4 Aug, 2006 from Helsinki
Some points to answer the thread question:
1. In general, Trash2 upgrade was a minor dissapointment. Trash1 was ahead its time, ver2 implementation was poorish. UI too busy, too many parameters which have just minor effect to the sound.
2. Modulation sucks. Well-implemented it could be REALLY great in distortion- e.g. with delay parameter modulation.
3. Convolution presets are poor, even with the expansions.
4. Delay too limited. E.g. no different delay types. Once we have seen what the digital delay COULD be today (check some of the 2014-2015 releases), Trash2 delay is "modest".
5. No global wet-dry constant setting, when you browse the presets, you always get 100 % wet output. In the distortion module this kills your ears, nerves and creativity. ( Take e.g. Walhalla, even its reverb have constant mix setting).
Saying all the above, Trash2 complements well-ish e.g. the Fabfilter Saturn but COULD be waayyy better. I believe/hope iZotope puts some real effort for the Trash3, is innovative enough.
1. In general, Trash2 upgrade was a minor dissapointment. Trash1 was ahead its time, ver2 implementation was poorish. UI too busy, too many parameters which have just minor effect to the sound.
2. Modulation sucks. Well-implemented it could be REALLY great in distortion- e.g. with delay parameter modulation.
3. Convolution presets are poor, even with the expansions.
4. Delay too limited. E.g. no different delay types. Once we have seen what the digital delay COULD be today (check some of the 2014-2015 releases), Trash2 delay is "modest".
5. No global wet-dry constant setting, when you browse the presets, you always get 100 % wet output. In the distortion module this kills your ears, nerves and creativity. ( Take e.g. Walhalla, even its reverb have constant mix setting).
Saying all the above, Trash2 complements well-ish e.g. the Fabfilter Saturn but COULD be waayyy better. I believe/hope iZotope puts some real effort for the Trash3, is innovative enough.
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- KVRAF
- 10175 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
What updates do you need?klagga wrote:Because then you won´t get any more updates for V2 in the future. If you buy Trash V2 it will maybe last for a couple of years, then if you´ll change OS, as anybody has to do sooner or later, you will have to rely on what Izotope has chosen to put in Trash V3, a cut down version of V2 or not.Voice303 wrote: Who cares if Izotope ruin it in V3? You will still have V2 for that price is well worth it and already one of the most capable and flexible distortion plugins...
You´re basically stuck with a pretty expensive software subscription that you will have to pay updates for regularly. Most consumers don´t think ahead, I guess, but again others would want to know if the company you invest your money in for the long haul is worth it. My longterm experience with Izotope says it is not.
Ive got plugins I bought over 10 years ago, Ive used them on at least 3 Windows versions and they work fine, I fully expect them to run just the same under Windows 10.
The sky will not fall on your head, unless your on a Mac OS
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- KVRAF
- 1959 posts since 21 Sep, 2007 from The Infinite Void
Three plugins that sound great but, personally I can't stand the GUI of any of them. Software ain't the same as hardware, Trash's complexity is very well organised IMO.fceramic wrote:Because it's bloated with options and pages/submenus. One of the main reasons effects like Ohmicide, Devastor and Permut8 are so popular is that they can do a lot in a single layout, it's all right in front of you like hardware.
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- KVRist
- 486 posts since 17 Jun, 2010
I use Trash2 somewhere on pretty much every project. Most of the the factory presets are a bit much for me but I find the Classic Textures expansion always has something I can work with.
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- KVRAF
- 5647 posts since 15 Dec, 2011
+1. But not just Trash, most iZotope stuff is like that. The more I have to mouse click to reach a certain feature, the less I like that GUI.fceramic wrote:Because it's bloated with options and pages/submenus. One of the main reasons effects like Ohmicide, Devastor and Permut8 are so popular is that they can do a lot in a single layout, it's all right in front of you like hardware.
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- KVRist
- 486 posts since 17 Jun, 2010
I wouldn't say Ozone 6 is. It's pretty much 1 screen per function and is well laid out.e@rs wrote:+1. But not just Trash, most iZotope stuff is like that. The more I have to mouse click to reach a certain feature, the less I like that GUI.fceramic wrote:Because it's bloated with options and pages/submenus. One of the main reasons effects like Ohmicide, Devastor and Permut8 are so popular is that they can do a lot in a single layout, it's all right in front of you like hardware.
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- KVRian
- 666 posts since 5 Jan, 2004
Take a look at this thread and see what happens when the updates end, "(Izotope) Spectron - running out of hosts that support it", http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 6&t=443740VariKusBrainZ wrote:What updates do you need?klagga wrote:Because then you won´t get any more updates for V2 in the future. If you buy Trash V2 it will maybe last for a couple of years, then if you´ll change OS, as anybody has to do sooner or later, you will have to rely on what Izotope has chosen to put in Trash V3, a cut down version of V2 or not.Voice303 wrote: Who cares if Izotope ruin it in V3? You will still have V2 for that price is well worth it and already one of the most capable and flexible distortion plugins...
You´re basically stuck with a pretty expensive software subscription that you will have to pay updates for regularly. Most consumers don´t think ahead, I guess, but again others would want to know if the company you invest your money in for the long haul is worth it. My longterm experience with Izotope says it is not.
Ive got plugins I bought over 10 years ago, Ive used them on at least 3 Windows versions and they work fine, I fully expect them to run just the same under Windows 10.
The sky will not fall on your head, unless your on a Mac OS
I rest my case.