Can your host do THIS?

[headquest]

oooh for f**ks sake man, grow up.. this is not f**king preschool you know

And I suppose you think it's really mature and cool to say "f**k" at least once in each sentence, do you?

Well I'm off in search of another forum, so bye for now!

[jens]

and why the f**k is this f**king thread still alive


put your f**king effect on a f**king bus and automate the f**king bus.. what the f**k is so difficult about that you f**king lazy I-don't-want-to-use-my-f**king-feeble-brain-becaue-it-hurts-me pansie f**king wankers

if you think a project gets finished by looking at it and willing it to get finished.. WAKE THE f**k UP!!!

and who f**king cares who easy it is to work in tracktion.. how about handling multi-output plugs in tracktion.. IT'S A f**king PAIN IN THE ARSE

hm - not sure whose brain is switched off here

say you put a distortion plugin on a drum loop and you want the automation coming slowly in but in most of the cases of course you want a crossfade between the wet and the dry signal - howdya do this with a bus?

(I hope I don't have to explain you the difference between insert and send fx? )

very funny

for insert

use a dx plugin
it's sonar, it's not supposed to have full vst automation

Sonar makes no difference between dx and vst - for Sonar all vst's are in fact dx (the wrapper tells Sonar 'look mate - here's another fivehundred dx')

Thus the conclusion is:

Sonar doesn't have it for dx either

Thus the conclusion is:

Your answer was completely wrong

I was talking about the native sonar plugs
wrapped VSTs are DXs of course in Sonar, but the VSTs parameters don't get the same treatment as the dx plugs (native ones again)

your answer clearly proves that you still haven't understood the original question/problem

[spaceman]

oooh for f**ks sake man, grow up.. this is not f**king preschool you know

And I suppose you think it's really mature and cool to say "f**k" at least once in each sentence, do you?

Well I'm off in search of another forum, so bye for now!

I was obviously exaggerating my rant


and what does the use of the word f**k have to do with being mature or not.. sounds like some teacher crap remark again.. wash your mouth with soup young man



I think 'f**k' gives a nice flow to a rant

[spaceman]

your answer clearly proves that you still didn't understand the original question/problem

that's a strange conclusion you've come to there, I know perfectly well what the problem is. but he didn't even mention what plugs he's trying to use. Did he mean native sonar plugs? some other dx plug or vst? has he tried CC automation?

he couldn't do automation so I guess he was talking about vst.. which again brings me to: why does he use sonar to automate vsts? it's not meant to do this like other hosts do. it's like saying Live 3 was crap because it didn't support VSTi.

I can understand the frustration he's getting not being able to automate the way he's used to in other hosts, but why did he get sonar then? And if he had tested sonar he would have known you can't do those things easily in sonar (or.. the way you do it in other hosts).. and if he did know about it, why is he still trying to accomplish something he already knows doesn't work? I don't use a compressor to get reverb on a track either, or use Live 3 for VSTi.. it's all the comments that followed about how crap sonar is supposed to be just because someone tried to do something in it it's not build for, and not surprisingly failed, that made me slightly pissed off, especially since a lot of the comments seemed to come from people who don't even know sonar.

[jens]

your answer clearly proves that you still didn't understand the original question/problem

that's a strange conclusion you've come to there, I know perfectly well what the problem is. but he didn't even mention what plugs he's trying to use. Did he mean native sonar plugs? some other dx plug or vst? has he tried CC automation?

he couldn't do automation so I guess he was talking about vst.. which again brings me to: why does he use sonar to automate vsts? it's not meant to do this like other hosts do. it's like saying Live 3 was crap because it didn't support VSTi.

I can understand the frustration he's getting not being able to automate the way he's used to in other hosts, but why did he get sonar then? And if he had tested sonar he would have known you can't do those things easily in sonar (or.. the way you do it in other hosts).. and if he did know about it, why is he still trying to accomplish something he already knows doesn't work? I don't use a compressor to get reverb on a track either, or use Live 3 for VSTi.. it's all the comments that followed about how crap sonar is supposed to be just because someone tried to do something in it it's not build for, and not surprisingly failed, that made me slightly pissed off, especially since a lot of the comments seemed to come from people who don't even know sonar.

his problem actually hasn't anything to do with automation - his problem is that Sonart hasn't its own wet/gain control which then (if it was there) surely could be automated

[spaceman]

your answer clearly proves that you still didn't understand the original question/problem

that's a strange conclusion you've come to there, I know perfectly well what the problem is. but he didn't even mention what plugs he's trying to use. Did he mean native sonar plugs? some other dx plug or vst? has he tried CC automation?

he couldn't do automation so I guess he was talking about vst.. which again brings me to: why does he use sonar to automate vsts? it's not meant to do this like other hosts do. it's like saying Live 3 was crap because it didn't support VSTi.

I can understand the frustration he's getting not being able to automate the way he's used to in other hosts, but why did he get sonar then? And if he had tested sonar he would have known you can't do those things easily in sonar (or.. the way you do it in other hosts).. and if he did know about it, why is he still trying to accomplish something he already knows doesn't work? I don't use a compressor to get reverb on a track either, or use Live 3 for VSTi.. it's all the comments that followed about how crap sonar is supposed to be just because someone tried to do something in it it's not build for, and not surprisingly failed, that made me slightly pissed off, especially since a lot of the comments seemed to come from people who don't even know sonar.

his problem actually hasn't anything to do with automation - his problem is that Sonart hasn't its own wet/gain control which then (if it was there) surely could be automated

well.. that means the problem is largely still about automation, automating X, where X is the missing functionality which people here have tried to find alternatives for. The discussion was mainly about how to solve this problem so that X could be automated.. you can't then say that automation has nothing to do with it..

and I'm still right about the stupid sonar remarks

[Rabid]

If you are not allowed to complain about the way things work, or ask for missing features then things will never improve.

Robert

[spaceman]

If you are not allowed to complain about the way things work, or ask for missing features then things will never improve.

Robert

there's a difference between complaining, and talking crap about something you don't know anything about

I never said it was great sonar doesn't have certain features

[Lunatique]

Man, I walk away for a few hours and you people start a food fight.

Seriously though--I'm definitely not lazy--I simply wanted have a question answered. If you've been to my website you'll see that I'm neither stupid or lazy. Or at least my wife tells me so.

I understand the use of busses (it's a public transportation system, right? ), and I do use it for certain things. I asked the question because I love how easy it is to work with envelops right on the track itself--it's very intuitive and fast for me. So naturally I crave to be able to do it for the wet/dry parameter as well.

Some asked what plugs I was using, and I use mostly the Sonitus ones that came with Sonar 3. For example, the EQ. Let's say I want to slowly evolve a heavily EQ'd track, but I want to use an envelop to automate the wet/dry instead of dealing with busses or a bunch of envelops for various frequencies, gains, filters..etc. I know I'm asking for an option that's not widely demanded, but tell me this--is there anything "wrong" with craving for what I want? And wouldn't it make the workflow faster/easier/more intuitive for some people who thinks similar to the way I do? And would implementing such a request be a "bad" thing for Cakewalk or its user base?

Sure, I can conform to the way things "have always been done." But tell you what though--I would never go back to 4 track tape-decks. So if I can find a more desirable way to do things the way I prefer to do it, I'll ask questions in forums and research into it, and even making an entry in the Cakewalk Sonar's Feature Request page--which I did yesterday.

[spaceman]

Man, I walk away for a few hours and you people start a food fight.

Seriously though--I'm definitely not lazy--I simply wanted have a question answered. If you've been to my website you'll see that I'm neither stupid or lazy. Or at least my wife tells me so.

I understand the use of busses (it's a public transportation system, right? ), and I do use it for certain things. I asked the question because I love how easy it is to work with envelops right on the track itself--it's very intuitive and fast for me. So naturally I crave to be able to do it for the wet/dry parameter as well.

Some asked what plugs I was using, and I use mostly the Sonitus ones that came with Sonar 3. For example, the EQ. Let's say I want to slowly evolve a heavily EQ'd track, but I want to use an envelop to automate the wet/dry instead of dealing with busses or a bunch of envelops for various frequencies, gains, filters..etc. I know I'm asking for an option that's not widely demanded, but tell me this--is there anything "wrong" with craving for what I want? And wouldn't it make the workflow faster/easier/more intuitive for some people who thinks similar to the way I do? And would implementing such a request be a "bad" thing for Cakewalk or its user base?

Sure, I can conform to the way things "have always been done." But tell you what though--I would never go back to 4 track tape-decks. So if I can find a more desirable way to do things the way I prefer to do it, I'll ask questions in forums and research into it, and even making an entry in the Cakewalk Sonar's Feature Request page--which I did yesterday.

sorry mate.. I didn't mean to bitch, I just got carried away about the I-don't-use-sonar-so-it's-crap atmosphere (replace with any host you like)

I was actually going to sell S3 so I'm not the best guy for the defence, but what I don't like is ungrounded negativity, especially when the stated alternatives are chicken shait

[headquest]

oooh for f**ks sake man, grow up.. this is not f**king preschool you know

And I suppose you think it's really mature and cool to say "f**k" at least once in each sentence, do you?

Well I'm off in search of another forum, so bye for now!

I was obviously exaggerating my rant


and what does the use of the word f**k have to do with being mature or not.. sounds like some teacher crap remark again.. wash your mouth with soup young man



I think 'f**k' gives a nice flow to a rant

THat's it Spaceman - YOU'RE IN DETENTION - my office, 3.15.

And do wipe that stupid grin off your face!!

But seriously ... I'm interested that you have Sonar, Cubase and Tracktion... that's quite an investment!

Aside from enhancing your reputation as a sequencing expert , what use do you find for all three? ( a serious question, so let's have an outbreak of peace for a few minutes!!)

[vurt]

wash your mouth out with soup?

[headquest]

wash your mouth out with soup?

Definitely more tasty than washing it out with soap!

[headquest]

[sorry mate.. I didn't mean to bitch, I just got carried away about the I-don't-use-sonar-so-it's-crap atmosphere (replace with any host you like)

I was actually going to sell S3 so I'm not the best guy for the defence, but what I don't like is ungrounded negativity, especially when the stated alternatives are chicken shait

Are there really people who say Sonar is crap? (I'm certainly not one of them!)

As you have ably demonstrated, I'm hardly an expert on Sonar having only used it for - well, about 15 minutes. But I've heard lots of good things about it, and I'm shocked to hear you're selling yours .

How much?

[spaceman]

THat's it Spaceman - YOU'RE IN DETENTION - my office, 3.15.
And do wipe that stupid grin off your face!!

grin!!! what grin?

But seriously ... I'm interested that you have Sonar, Cubase and Tracktion... that's quite an investment!

Aside from enhancing your reputation as a sequencing expert , what use do you find for all three? ( a serious question, so let's have an outbreak of peace for a few minutes!!)

well.. there's a few reasons why I have all three (and FL )

1. I like to treat myself to a new tool from time to time (where 'to' stands for quite a short time span )

2. when I started getting into this computer music business I was convinced that the new tool would make me a better composer/musician/mixing engineer.. I know better now

3. no one host is perfect, I like to have all functionality available, for when I need it

4. it's only money

I first bought S2 because it was cheaper than cubase and it seemed to do everything I wanted it to do. But then I learnt a lot more about making music on the puter and soon realised it wasn't perfect. The S3 release looked very very nice..
so I upgraded

S3 was perfect for me (and the plugs I used) until new plugs I bought didn't seem to behave very well in S3.. and the lack of some automation possibilities (VST,etc.) made me go to Cubase. But to answer your question:

S3 pro's: mixer, midi handling/tools, lot's of neat functionality
con's: automation of some plugs, instability (more to do with the plugs, but who cares)

Cubase pro's: stable, great vst support, good automation, great audio tools
Cubase con's: minor issues, nothing much worth mentioning

Tracktion was cheap and different, so I got me a copy too. I use it to quickly lay down ideas, or sometimes just to get away from the usual sequencer suspects. Same for FL but I use FL a lot now, rewired into sonar or cubase.

Tracktion is ok but the midi functionality is rather limited and although it has this nice workflow, there's too many little annoyances to make it a main sequencer