for those who think you need highly sophisticated soft/gear

[spaceman]

Listening to the mix.. Loving it

Ejo, you are talking nonsense. I know of several professionally successful producers who use almost exclusively native software. You MAY have a point about reverbs, but otherwise, native plugins are widely accepted in the commercial arena.

No the guy is obviously correct.. no wonder albums like Pet Sounds, and SGT Pepper were so succesful Neither of those were produced using anything but the latest state of the art digital hardware. Neither of those used any of that nerdy lo-fi software crap or silly old tape machines and imaginative use of found objects

Wasnt Sgt Peppers made in Reason?

[spaceman]

so, if I get this right..
all you need to make crap music is an old cassette deck and a vhs




it's actually quite nice music.. well.. interesting at least

[SamplingArt]

you guys think that internet downloads make a song great, you think cause some guy who made a song with reason then invested his own money to put in on vinyl gives u some kind of inspiration that u can do it also...if thats what u wanna do do it...

Well, Iam Howlett from Prodigy did use Reason for is new album & if you heard is new single "Girls" I think we can agree that it sounds good? At least to my ears it sounds pretty good.

[Red_Force]

Ejo/Sonar55

LOL, ROFL. Dead fun.

Hey, sequencer are here for creation, not for mixing. If you're a pro, you have certainly noticed that it's generally not the same person that makes the music and that makes the track out of it.

Well, can you figure out that they don't use the same tool ? Good.

Now can you figure out than there is no rule in creation, so everyone has to stick with the tools he likes best and that it would be pointless to pretend there are forced path to create ? Fine. Once it's good, you'll always be able to export it and send it to the pro for mixing (something easy to do on any host, you know. You know, "host". Something for pro musicians. That makes real music. For REAL labels.)

So now, can we consider that the fact that you personnaly are not (yet ?) able to get what you want out of software will not be solved by telling everyone what they should or shouldn't do ? That would be a good step to start with.

PS : Funny, while I am writing this, a HUGE music's name has just bought a pack of our stuff.

[headquest]

For what its worth (probably not much!) I worked in the recording contracts department for EMI Records UK for four years after graduating from music college...

Certainly at that time major labels were not judging potential artists on the grounds of their equipment or record producing skill. EMI own Abbey Road (and several others worldwide...) and have access to the best and most experienced record producers in the world!! They're not too worried about the quality of your reverb plugin!!

No - what the A&R dept were always looking out for was major musical talent, defined in terms of songwriting, instrumental skill, and live performance. Demos sometimes got attention, but not because of how shiny they sounded...

I don't recall EMI putting out people's home - or studio - made demos to the public... (I dare say you could think up the VERY rare exceptions which merely prove this rule...). However well demos were recorded it is generally a matter of principal for a major label to redo everything inhouse, as this ensures beyond legal doubt that they fully own the copyright to the sound recording, and that they have full control over it. Period.

The brilliant thing about the technology that is available now is that YOU THE MUSICIAN can take more pride in what you produce... which is very satisfying (even if it turns out you're actually talented, and you then have to redo your stuff at somebody else's behest...)

And of course you can have a crack at making your own CDs, MP3s, whatever, and trying your hand at selling them yourself without the marketing might of a big label at all... and several people have done well at this - good for them, I say!

So make the most of whatever gear you've got, take pride in your acheivements, and seek to make the best music you can - not just by buying more and more products in the vain hope that someday your dreams will be realised, but by getting out there and playing live, improving your writing, learning about the business, taking instrumental/singing lessons if you need them (we all do...)

[mauseoleum]

get serious or else youll be 40 years old telling your friends u got a record coming out anyday now...

aren't krafwerks even older than that ? ... old f**ts with laptops - how could they ?

[kilroy]

ejo is actually very right u bedroom producers have no freaking clue about the music business and how it works thats why i feel so bad for all these fruity loops mix's and traktion producers and reason beatmakers...

all your dreams will be crushed if your ever put in a position for a label to aquire your songs im not talking about a record label that your friend started out of his garage or some local nonsense we will release your record anyday now label im talking about a real label....

if your making music as a hobby thats cool but if your serious about this craft stop with the loop making software its gonna bite u in your ass in the longrun

do you really think a mastering engineer who graduated from the audio arts is gonna spend weeks trying to fix your poor quality songs just cause the lead is nice or the bass is good???

imo dont ever use a sequencer that doesnt include some kind of import/export to protools if u use nuendo or logic your ok cause they support omf which is alot easier for the mastering engineer...

you guys think that internet downloads make a song great, you think cause some guy who made a song with reason then invested his own money to put in on vinyl gives u some kind of inspiration that u can do it also...if thats what u wanna do do it...

but if your serious about this craft start understanding what the difference between quality and quantity is....

and im not just talking out of my butt i was in the same situation i had decent songs in almost all of the cheap sequencers but when i finally got my foot in the real studio door all my tracks were scrapped due to nothing but poor quality...

get serious or else youll be 40 years old telling your friends u got a record coming out anyday now...

I just want to say it took all the will power I possess not to respond to this post in an impolite, and unprofessional manner.

[kilroy]

No - what the A&R dept were always looking out for was major musical talent, defined in terms of songwriting, instrumental skill, and live performance. Demos sometimes got attention, but not because of how shiny they sounded...

Nothing has changed.

If you and your writing rocks, but your equipment doesn't, any smart AnR/label will fall all over him/her/it self to make sure you get access to the best gear made under heaven's mantle.

Never, *ever* forget this...most of these folks are in this industry to make money...period. The way they do this has almost zero to do with your gear...and everything to do with your song writing and performance chops.

...course, if you are easy to look at that can really help alot these days...

[stale bread]

there will always be people like that, full of fear deep down inside that they just don't 'get' something
which is well founded because they don't. there are whole genres of music created out of a lo-fi esthetic
populated by artist that have and do make a great living and enjoy some considerable fortune and fame, not to mention being courted every which way by mainstream, very shiny bigname pop icons to make them sound similiar. but even so these people still live in denial, it's like they don't get what music really is which is the sound of something having meaning to you, what ever walk of life you come from and whatever that sound might be. these people are more concerned with defining music as what they like, you don't rock unless you're the stones and you're not a singer unless you're streisand.. (yuck)

they think hiphop isn't music
they dont think electronic musicians are musicians
they pay more attention to the fact that herbie hancock is using a midi controller/ibook in concert than to the music he's playing.
I feel sorry for people like that.

[tetraplan]

For what its worth (probably not much!) I worked in the recording contracts department for EMI Records UK for four years after graduating from music college...

Yes, but why would anyone care about EMI anyway?
EMI.
There is no reason why.

Groet, Erik

[headquest]

Yes, but why would anyone care about EMI anyway?
EMI.
There is no reason why.

Groet, Erik

If they signed you, I guess you'd care

[graphixkid]

Now, what's wrong with Reason folks? Of course it isn't an end unto itself, but what program is?
I use Reason, and I know that it does not color the sound and doesn't have any weird recording quirks. In fact, it really has an excellent sequencer. I'd be happy to hear any cons on using it, because if I'm doing something wrong, I'd like to know.

[agincourtdb]

A true artist uses anything and everything he/she can get his/her grubby little hands on to make their music. Whatever inspires, whatever works for you.

It's foolish to worry about what other people think of your tools. Some of the greatest music was made with simple and inexpensive tools. Regardless of what some might say, it's the finished product that people care about.

If one's music is crap, it's not gonna matter whether it was recorded in a million dollar Studio or in Cubase or Sonar or Nuendo or whatever. What matters is how good the material is, and how well you manipulate the tools you have.

[kaden]

do you really think a mastering engineer who graduated from the audio arts is gonna spend weeks trying to fix your poor quality songs just cause the lead is nice or the bass is good???

If the bass is a James Jamerson sample the label just paid $15,000 to clear, then yeah, he probably is.

imo dont ever use a sequencer that doesnt include some kind of import/export to protools

Er...midi, wav and smpte?

K

[shamann]

I just want to say it took all the will power I possess not to respond to this post in an impolite, and unprofessional manner.

The Sonar55 post was in jest, wasn't it? A pisstake on the Ejo post?

Please, someone tell me it was a pisstake.