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masterhiggins · Post by **masterhiggins** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:15 pm

Post some more examples, but mix a and b up. I wonder if some of the diehard analogue hardware enthusiasts will make an appearance in this thread after that.

2ZrgE · Post by **2ZrgE** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:16 pm

IncarnateX wrote:
2ZrgE wrote: In a way completely useless because with a simple A/B test you could be right just be guessing.
Sure with only two choices a hit could be pure chance. However, a miss by an analog preacher man could still be embarrasing

Trust me, they'll find their excuses.

GHOST19 · Post by **GHOST19** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:19 pm

Difficult to say. I reckon it's a trap and Diva is A (more crisp and bright) in the first video and B in the second (A envelopes sound more analogue to me).

fischkopf · Post by **fischkopf** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:29 pm

Synth A sounds much warmer to my ears, I think it's the hardware synth.

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:49 pm

A is Oberheim
B is Diva

A sounds a bit more sturdy and robust, wich is a characteristics that hardware (mostly analog) exhibits. B feels a bit washed out comparing to A (this is characteristic that most plugin synth exhibits).

Synthetic Wav · Post by **Synthetic Wav** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:55 pm

i have diva but i m not familiar enought to know if the envelop can be clicky like in synth B ?

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:55 pm

Ooooh look .... another pointless digital vs analog "which sounds better" thread.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:26 pm

chk071 wrote:The Beatles. 'nuff said.

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But I'm going to say the real synth is A, Diva is B.

One thing that confused me a bit is that I thought in some of the examples the envelopes in B made me think B was the hardware. Envelopes are usually a "tell" for me in these tests, but I thought the "body" of B was mushy and less distinct. But what the hell, I'll go with my initial answer.

BUT. I will also say that typical bread and butter sounds like this are in the overlap of what software and hardware both do well. Tests like this are a bit self selecting. It would be pretty easy to find the places where software failed and do the same test and we'd all know the answer. It's why I maintain that a hybrid approach is the way to go. Softsynths for what they do fine and for when you need a little extra oomph, whip out the analog.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:26 pm

It's not easy indeed while i own Diva myself and have done some "Oberheimish" sounds with it too (and others like e.g. Jupiter 8 etc.). Also got a real analog Pulse 2 here (my ownly remaining real nalog) and a few Oberheim emulations (e.g. the free OBXD and Arturia Oberheim SEM V).

Anyway my guess is that Synth A is a real OB8 and B is Diva whie i am not totally sure.

At the end Diva seems to be a fantastic emulation of analog synths and it's more or less modular approach with mixing modules of different synth is awesome IMO and makes it impossible to replace it by another softsynth.
I hope i could finally get a new PC soon to replace the current one so i could use DIVA at full quality without being limited to a few tracks.

PS:
DIVA doe not seem to include any modules that directly emulate an OB8 and the "Uhbie" filter seems to be closer to a SEM design. This means taht if you are able to match teh sounds of a OB8 it could be a cmbination of both luck and good sound design skills.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:29 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
chk071 wrote:The Beatles. 'nuff said.
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But I'm going to say the real synth is A, Diva is B.

One thing that confused me a bit is that I thought in some of the examples the envelopes in B made me think B was the hardware. Envelopes are usually a "tell" for me in these tests, but I thought the "body" of B was mushy and less distinct. But what the hell, I'll go with my initial answer.

BUT. I will also say that typical bread and butter sounds like this are in the overlap of what software and hardware both do well. Tests like this are a bit self selecting. It would be pretty easy to find the places where software failed and do the same test and we'd all know the answer. It's why I maintain that a hybrid approach is the way to go. Softsynths for what they do fine and for when you need a little extra oomph, whip out the analog.

Well then let me ask. What are the kinds of sounds that soft synths don't do well? Can you post some examples? And then, after that's done, maybe the OP can program those two sounds (assuming he has the hardware synth that made it) and then we can really tell.

SWAN808 · Post by **SWAN808** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:35 pm

zerocrossing wrote:It would be pretty easy to find the places where software failed and do the same test and we'd all know the answer.

With Diva - what are these places it fails? Ive tested I think most extremes I can with an OB8 and Source....there are Unison examples here (which often fail in other softsynths) and full/very high resonance...

fluffy_little_something · Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:38 pm

So, when will we know the answer?

Seems that so far most people think A is the hardware...

SWAN808 · Post by **SWAN808** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:43 pm

if its ok Id like to keep it open at least for a few days to let people see it...but not past the point it becomes boring and everyone forgets...

Synthetic Wav · Post by **Synthetic Wav** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:28 pm

my problems with these tests is that you try to make both sound the same..a test where you try to show where they behave differelenty would more intresting and usefull to get better emulation, these test are fun but don't mean much . a freeware compressor could sound really close to a 3000 $$ one too if you really wanna match the sound insteed of demonstrating the difference.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:48 pm

I was hearing a little bit more top end and reverb in A versus B. If I had to guess: A is DIVA, B is hardware. Not sure I care though. So biggest difference: A felt consistently brighter in the first video than B, which I preferred. They're certainly close enough.

Diva vs Analogue - a real world test