KVR Audio

layzer · Post by **layzer** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:12 pm

i'm going to guess A is hardware because it has a more dense low end with more
moving harmonics.

SWAN808 · Post by **SWAN808** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:17 pm

zerocrossing wrote: Go back and read my posts. All along I've said in the venn diagram of "what sounds analog" there is a lot of overlap. I've just been saying that to say there is no difference at all or that it's impossible to hear a difference is b.s.

I wasnt suggesting there is no difference or that its impossible to hear and never have. If you remember I was one of the people who wrote on your thread 'analogue magic' explaining some of the differences back when you were mocking the idea.

I said try to compare what you believe is very inaccurate by DIva - actually sit down carefully tweak it right next to your ATC in a fair test of comparable sounds - then record both and carefully set the levels-and blind ABX it.

This is what you said in your last posts.

While I respect your opinion that the difference is small, I feel the difference can be pretty big... sometimes enormous.

TEST this theory. You have the equipment - why not do it if you are so sure?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:19 pm

TheoM wrote:interesting.. are there any plugins then that simply don't have aliasing?

Additive synthesis shouldn't have aliasing if done well.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:26 pm

Ok, as i'm bored (and a bit drunk), here's the intermediate result: 13 people voted, 11 voted that OB-8 is synth A and Diva synth B, 2 voted that Diva is synth A and OB-8 synth B. Would be pretty humiliating if Diva was synth A now.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:57 pm

chk071 wrote:Ok, as i'm bored (and a bit drunk), here's the intermediate result: 13 people voted, 11 voted that OB-8 is synth A and Diva synth B, 2 voted that Diva is synth A and OB-8 synth B. Would be pretty humiliating if Diva was synth A now.

Not necesseraly if you consider that few people who voted have real experience with an OB-8, and that some folks might prefer the more in your face sound of A (Wich is not really the thing for wich the OB-8 was famous btw)

At the very least I'd say that it might be the sign that people seem to think that the synths sound different one from each other.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:04 am

Yeah. I'm actually surprised because usually the votes are more even on comparisons like this.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 2:44 am

analoguesamples909 wrote:
zerocrossing wrote: Go back and read my posts. All along I've said in the venn diagram of "what sounds analog" there is a lot of overlap. I've just been saying that to say there is no difference at all or that it's impossible to hear a difference is b.s.
I wasnt suggesting there is no difference or that its impossible to hear and never have. If you remember I was one of the people who wrote on your thread 'analogue magic' explaining some of the differences back when you were mocking the idea.

Well thank you kindly. You cost me a bunch of cash.

analoguesamples909 wrote:I said try to compare what you believe is very inaccurate by DIva - actually sit down carefully tweak it right next to your ATC in a fair test of comparable sounds - then record both and carefully set the levels-and blind ABX it.

This is what you said in your last posts.

While I respect your opinion that the difference is small, I feel the difference can be pretty big... sometimes enormous.
TEST this theory. You have the equipment - why not do it if you are so sure?

I do every time I play. I did this, this afternoon, before I made that post, except without the blind part, but the difference was so audible there was no way it could be some sort of bias. Yes, sometimes the difference is small. Often, the differences is preferable. I could list a ton of reasons to use Diva over an actual analog poly.

Meet me on camera three.

OK, let's say for the sake of argument that plug ins will get you 90% of the sounds you're after. Would you not (well not you, but you know) spend a modest amount to get that extra 10%? That's all I'm saying. Even a tiny space can fit a Pulse 2 or a MoPho. No need to sell your mother into slavery. Just put aside a few duckets every now and then and trust me, you'll be glad you did.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:29 am

zerocrossing wrote:I do every time I play. I did this, this afternoon, before I made that post, except without the blind part, but the difference was so audible there was no way it could be some sort of bias.

There is no question on the high notes... all softsynths, Diva included, get a bit squirrely up there... and analog stays clean right up to the top.

what sample rate do you use? It is because of this that I use 96khz, which makes a significant difference.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:29 am

TheoM wrote:interesting.. are there any plugins then that simply don't have aliasing?

Overbridge?

jbuonacc · Post by **jbuonacc** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:35 am

zerocrossing wrote:... I do every time I play. I did this, this afternoon, before I made that post, except without the blind part, but the difference was so audible there was no way it could be some sort of bias.

yet you can never post a quick recording of this? how hard would that be for you to do? you're always mentioning comparisons you've made, but never any audio.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:41 am

Never mind. I surrender.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:08 am

Some who obviously cares would have to be a fan of hardware I guess.

Again, to me, it means more different sounds for my palette....difference, people, difference.

andrelafosse · Post by **andrelafosse** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:31 am

A month ago, I had the opportunity to record with a fabulous engineer in his home studio. This is someone who's recorded and/or mixed for Nine Inch Nails, Clint Mansell, Kronos Quartet, Harold Budd, Terry Riley, etc. He had lots of boutique hardware gear - effects, preamps, tube amps, etc.

I was asking him his opinion about analog, digital, in the box vs. out of the box, etc. At one point, he kind of summed it up like this (I'm paraphrasing):

"(Pointing to his rack gear) I have a hardware LA-2A over there. It sounds really good. (Points to his computer screen, where a plug-in window was open). I have that plug-in emulation of an LA-2A in there. It sounds really good. Are there some subtle differences between them? Probably. Are there differences between two different hardware LA-2A's? Definitely. Some people get really obsessive about these distinctions. I don't have time to get wrapped up with that stuff - I have records to make."

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:04 am

THIS WILL NOT DO.
REMEMBER THAT:

THERE IS NO ROOM FOR BOTH HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE SYNTHESIZERS IN THIS WORLD. ONLY A WAR CAN SETTLE THIS.

SIGN UP NOW!

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:09 am

A is OB and B is Diva.
There are slight differences. A is more snappy while B gives the impression it is trying hard to match!

Now, if Diva is A, and I'm wrong, then this would kill any desire inside me to look for any analog synth! I would stay a digital guy

Diva vs Analogue - a real world test