Alchemy welcomes to Logic X Pro 10.2 and Mainstage 3 (Update 20.1.2016)

[Jace-BeOS]

Ultimate point is that people bashing other people for being Mac users and iPhone/iPad users are kinda jerky.

As are those that bash PC users.
How is it the Linux crowd seems to steer clear?

Agreed. Personally, I think the people bashing Mac users are exactly guilty of what they claim Mac users are guilty of.
As for the Linux crowd... I'm unimpressed and find lots of elitism there. It's a bit different a type from the other elitists, but there are still a lot of arrogant and abusive people there, too. More pedantically technical than Windows fans, and even less tolerant of ease of use concepts.

But I'm generalizing. Plenty of users in all camps are fine people. I'm focused on hating the elitist pricks, not specific brands of them.

[Jace-BeOS]

I must confess that in my younger days I did walk around in one of those fake O'Reilly book cover t-shirts - 'Distributing Clue to Users'.

Nowadays I agree that making things easier to use should be the goal, though Apple has sometimes taken it too far, with the Final Cut Pro and Aperture debacles.

The problem there was one of releasing the product too soon and without consulting a majority of actual professional video market users. The very people they forgot how to consider. Ultimately, the end result is reported to be a quality product that pros can use, but there was a lot of burned trust and respect due to failing to consider them during development. Apple released the product either horribly prematurely, or the product manager was horribly out of touch with his market.

[Jace-BeOS]

The next world war will be because of different OS not because of religion or borders.

But this is exactly the SAME human behavior. Religious thinking is what we are talking about. Not the subject matter. The human brain and social behavior.

http://www.alternet.org/media/most-depr ... brain-ever

[Jace-BeOS]

If amusing threads are what plugin developer buyouts produce, I want to see a lot more buyouts.

I dislike sitcoms.

[Jace-BeOS]

Anybody hating continuously on Apple about all of this should appropriately re-direct that hate to Camel Audio -- they are the responsible party here, not Apple. So Apple made an offer; all Camel had to do was say No Thanks! and that would have been the end of the story.

If your wife leaves you for another man, who are you the most mad at? The other man, or your wife?

As an ETHICAL non-monogamist, I get into a LOT of discussions with groups of people over such topics. Monogamy culture leads to exactly that sort of scenario you describe (getting hostile to the other person that your spouse has left you for or cheated on you with). It's insecurity, ego, jealousy. All about the person getting angry, and not at the subject of the spouse's new interest. (though there are cases where people intentionally try to break up existing relationships in order to acquire exclusive ownership of a person of desire, and I've been victim to that as well)

It's interesting how human behavior continues to be consistent across seemingly vastly different subjects...

[murnau]

CAMEL = LE MAC (like it always was.. ..just play the record backwards for a message of the evil..)

It was so obvious all the years..

[macmuse]

Trumpy, my good man, let me pose a scenario for you.

Say that, for your sins, you are transported for life to the Americas. You find yourself plonked down in the outer burbs of Bumfuck, Amerika. You pay your taxes and contribute thereby to the building and extension of the rail and road network that allows you to commute to your gainful employment in not-so-nearby Gomorrah. Due to the aftermath of the wall st created GFC, the taxation receipts in the county of Greater Bumfuck haven't been all that they were cracked up to be in the forecasts and those same wall st banks are now putting the screws on and coming up with "solutions" for the financial rescue of GB.

Anyway, a privatisation of the road and rail services to Bumfuck comes to pass. Various bidders sniff at the assets and kick the tyres, as it were, but nobody forks over the requisite amount of cash. Then, riding in on a white charger, Donald Trump comes to the rescue. Trump stumps up several billion big ones for the ownership and control of the methods of egress from Bumfuck and now the debt situation is not nearly so parlous - hell they might even be able to buy a christmas tree this year.

However, Trump has some unforeseen ideas about his new infrastructure portfolio, and who would get to use it. Having noted the congestion in the peak hours, Trump declares that to improve service quality, only paid up members of the Republican Party can use the road and rail systems between 7 and 9 in the am and 4 and 8 in the pm. No riff-raff, as Basil Fawlty would have put it.

You find yourself inconvenienced considerably. Helpful people point out that there is nothing to stop you A) joining the GOP and helping to spread Amerikas bounty to the world or B) buying a helicopter/pogo stick/barbed wire canoe or some other form of transport that will not require the use of Trump's roads or tracks.

Do you respect the right of the Greater Bumfuck council to sell the assets your taxes paid for to someone who would exclude you from using them? How will you spend tonight if there's no Gomorrah?

That was beautifully stated.

too many holes in this analogy to bother picking apart.i much prefer your cries of "i hope they all go to hell !!"

Certainly you can understand a PC user's frustration that they'll never be able to use this software unless they completely redesign their whole setup. In my case (over 300 VSTs) that's just not doable.

So I never get to use Alchemy.

So yeah, that pisses me off.

I totally understand people's feelings here. I do. But on the other side, it's not as drastic as the road example. There are plenty of things Mac folks can't use unless they buy a PC to run them. All DAWs -- Sonar, Cubase, ProTools, and others have proprietary plugins that are only used with that DAW too -- not just Logic -- so if a person wants them, they have to buy the DAW. It just so happened that Camel chose to be paired with Logic. What if Alchemy instead was only in FL Studio? And Apple, just like Cubase, ProTools, etc. have proprietary plugins. It's up to third-party devs to do cross-platform -- some do, some don't. It's their right to choose, just as it's anybody's right to choose what he/she buys.

Alchemy still runs. Camel didn't implement a timer in it when they closed shop. Software still runs, and will continue to run. Some people stay on older systems for that very reason, because software upgrades come with a price in more ways than one. If it ain't broke, you know...

[Jace-BeOS]

I appreciate the frustrations of people who feel locked out of Alchemy as Windows users. My move to a Mac has cost me a lot of work in conversion to Logic from Sonar and there are a few plugins I'll never be able to use again (especially since my stupid Receptor died while not even in use). There's also software never updated to run on intel processors that I can't use once I stop using Snow Leopard. I don't know what I'll do about that, but most of it isn't mission critical anyway (Akai AkSys and a few other hardware editor type things).

Still, when I bought software, I was consciously and intentionally buying only cross-platform product because I felt my platform change coming from a LONG way off. The only Windows-only purchases I've lost are small, like Console, which was abandoned by its developers anyway. Everything else was freeware. Some real gems, but freeware nonetheless.

[macmuse]

There's also software never updated to run on intel processors that I can't use once I stop using Snow Leopard..

Yes, and that is Mac to Mac. I'd still like to pull up Cameleon 5000 sometimes, as that was easier on the CPU than Alchemy. Lots of things fall into that category. I've spent a ton of money on stuff that I can no longer use. And don't get me started on the loss of Filter, LOL. I really liked that. So yeah, we gain, we lose...we move on.

[aMUSEd]

There's also software never updated to run on intel processors that I can't use once I stop using Snow Leopard..

Yes, and that is Mac to Mac. I'd still like to pull up Cameleon 5000 sometimes, as that was easier on the CPU than Alchemy. Lots of things fall into that category. I've spent a ton of money on stuff that I can no longer use. And don't get me started on the loss of Filter, LOL. I really liked that. So yeah, we gain, we lose...we move on.

One thing I love about the new Alchemy is the morphing is now much easier to use and closer to Cameleon's in usability while being much more powerful (including the return of the separate coloured elements - this was a longstanding FR of mine). It also has quality controls so the cpu hit is actually much less if you work in draft mode and just render in best.

[Cinebient]

The next world war will be because of different OS not because of religion or borders.

But this is exactly the SAME human behavior. Religious thinking is what we are talking about. Not the subject matter. The human brain and social behavior.

<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">http://www.alternet.org/media/most-depr ... ever</span>

I doesn't believe.... in religion. But i respect of course everyone who does for their own reasons.

[Cinebient]

CAMEL = LE MAC (like it always was.. ..just play the record backwards for a message of the evil..)

It was so obvious all the years..

Ha, you got the award for the best find.... why we didn't saw that?!

[Jace-BeOS]

The next world war will be because of different OS not because of religion or borders.

But this is exactly the SAME human behavior. Religious thinking is what we are talking about. Not the subject matter. The human brain and social behavior.

<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">http://www.alternet.org/media/most-depr ... ever</span>

I doesn't believe.... in religion. But i respect of course everyone who does for their own reasons.

Honestly, I don't respect it. Irrational and delusional thinking doesn't inspire respect. The more we allow it in one area (religion), the more it shows in other realms of society. Without critical thinking classes in basic general education to compensate for religion, what proliferates is credulousness antiintellectualism. We see it right here in the irrational, emotionally driven, logical fallacy-filled anti-Apple hate (as well as in the Apple fanboism, which is just as bad).

[lnikj]

Alchemy still runs. Camel didn't implement a timer in it when they closed shop. Software still runs, and will continue to run. Some people stay on older systems for that very reason, because software upgrades come with a price in more ways than one. If it ain't broke, you know...

There is every likelihood that Alchemy 1.x will continue to run on Windows for a great deal longer than on OS X. El Capitan will more than likely break it on OS X.

[trimph1]

The next world war will be because of different OS not because of religion or borders.

But this is exactly the SAME human behavior. Religious thinking is what we are talking about. Not the subject matter. The human brain and social behavior.

<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">http://www.alternet.org/media/most-depr ... ever</span>

I doesn't believe.... in religion. But i respect of course everyone who does for their own reasons.

Honestly, I don't respect it. Irrational and delusional thinking doesn't inspire respect. The more we allow it in one area (religion), the more it shows in other realms of society. Without critical thinking classes in basic general education to compensate for religion, what proliferates is credulousness antiintellectualism. We see it right here in the irrational, emotionally driven, logical fallacy-filled anti-Apple hate (as well as in the Apple fanboism, which is just as bad).

Neither extreme is particularly useful.

Does anyone remember the Kore2 débâcle? This is almost like that. The workflow I use is not so dependent on any particular system to do something.

Sometimes, in farming, one needs a variety of things to do something with. You can't always depend on things to be around forever.

Then again, what do I know, I am just a little bit more pragmatic for my own good.