Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

[Mutant]

Urs arrived at his shapes by using totally different methods, even some plainly wrong, like his "invert the wave" thing, or not using 2 saws - so yes that was not enough.

Gosh. Obviously, some of Diva's oscillators have different polarity for sawtooth oscillators. Some ramp up, others ramp down. If you want to make a down ramping sawtooth look like an up ramping one, you have to invert the phase. It's a natural thing.

Relax.
I am not saying you are dumb, or that you can't use your own software, i am only saying you were wrong when guessing how OP got that shape.
Were you right in not using the 3 osc Moog module or were you wrong ?
What is the slope direction on the 3 osc Moog module again ?

The question was not if Diva can do that shape, but what he did to arrive at that shape, the difference between your method and his method (i quoted them few posts above) is quite big in my opinion.

[IncarnateX]

Stop it and let the accused prove his innocence.

So guilty untill proven otherwise? You have misunderstood something. Neither science nor court work this way. You are the one making extraordimary assumptions here and your "evidence" is circumstantial. You have to prove to us beyond doubt that the shape in question cannot be achieved by Anything but cheating. Good luck with that.

I proved how real Diva saw shapes look right away, you can check them yourself if you don't believe me.
Then i asked what he did to make them look strange, there was no proper answer that could let me confirm it.
Thats all.

Also i said accused, not guilty.
There is a big difference.

And it happens a lot in courts all over the world, a prosecutor accuses based on some evidence, then the attorney uses his evidence and proves that his client is innocent, then the judge gives the verdict.

You haven't proved anything unless you can provide us with a full coverage over all possible waveshapes DIVA can produce and show that that shape in question is not one of them. Beyond that you have nothing. If he can't replicate the wav and you cannot prove that it only can arise due to cheat, then case has to be dismissed.

[Mutant]

Stop it and let the accused prove his innocence.

So guilty untill proven otherwise? You have misunderstood something. Neither science nor court work this way. You are the one making extraordimary assumptions here and your "evidence" is circumstantial. You have to prove to us beyond doubt that the shape in question cannot be achieved by Anything but cheating. Good luck with that.

I proved how real Diva saw shapes look right away, you can check them yourself if you don't believe me.
Then i asked what he did to make them look strange, there was no proper answer that could let me confirm it.
Thats all.

Also i said accused, not guilty.
There is a big difference.

And it happens a lot in courts all over the world, a prosecutor accuses based on some evidence, then the attorney uses his evidence and proves that his client is innocent, then the judge gives the verdict.

You haven't proved anything unless you can provide us with a full coverage over all possible waveshapes DIVA can produce and show that that shape in question is not one of them. Beyond that you have nothing. If he can't replicate the wav and you cannot prove that it only can arise due to cheat, then case has to be dismissed.

Arguing just for the sake huh ?
What i posted an image of was a raw unfiltered triple osc saw shape, with which i proved how a raw unfiltered triple osc saw shape looks like.
Then i asked him what did he do to that raw unfiltered triple osc saw shape to make it look like in his clip.
If you can't understand that... well... i give up.

[fluffy_little_something]

Mutant, have you tried recording and mixing down your perfect Diva saws? If I get that right you were comparing the poster's imported file to your live audio, right? Maybe the DAW modifies something in some weird way when mixing down...

[zvenx]

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The preset used in the test became 'Classic Poly' in the set. There may have been a minor adjustment but that should produce the same waveform if anyone who bought the patch is interested.

thanks
rsp

[Mutant]

Mutant, have you tried recording and mixing down your perfect Diva saws? If I get that right you were comparing the poster's imported file to your live audio, right? Maybe the DAW modifies something in some weird way when mixing down...

Live audio ?
No.
I simply rendered them in REAPER.
Was there any mention of him doing it any other way ?

[fluffy_little_something]

I figured you had Diva running along with your analyzer and took a screenshot of the latter

[Mutant]

I figured you had Diva running along with your analyzer and took a screenshot of the latter

No, it is wave display in REAPER 4 default theme.
Recorded a note in MIDI, rendered the note and automatically reimported the rendered wav.

[Hank the Knife]

'The preset used in the test became 'Classic Poly' in the set. There may have been a minor adjustment but that should produce the same waveform if anyone who bought the patch is interested.'
@analogue
So actually you don't know. Case solved.

[V0RT3X]

This thread is getting kind of silly huh?

[IncarnateX]

What i posted an image of was a raw unfiltered triple osc saw shape, with which i proved how a raw unfiltered triple osc saw shape looks like.
Then i asked him what did he do to that raw unfiltered triple osc saw shape to make it look like in his clip.
If you can't understand that... well... i give up.

What you should give up is to put your suspecions of cheat forward as anything related to proof in a scientific or legal sense like you do when you speak of extraordinary claims and proving ones innocense. It is nowhere near it. Your evidence is to weak to carry the burden of evidence here. And this for your information, it is not personal.

[Mutant]

Your evidence is to weak to carry the burden of evidence here.

Just for the laughs, can you please provide evidence that will prove that Divas raw unfiltered triple osc saw shape looks in any way different from the way it looks on my picture ?

I hope you understand that the picture is only an evidence of how the raw unfiltered triple osc saw shape looks, not of the OP being guilty of cheating.

[Urs]

I'm getting better at this.





Still had to invert it, but d'oh.

[Urs]

Oh yes, I turned Sync on to keep the phase stable.

More doubts?

[fluffy_little_something]

Assuming the screenshot shows the parameters settings used, what might matter are the selected shape of analog 2, the different octave settings, the strong detune. sync on, cross mod, and only osc 2 in the mix.