Diva vs Analogue - a real world test
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Hank the Knife Hank the Knife https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=362962
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Okay, let's all forgive one and other. Somehow I think that's a good idea 
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
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Yes, let's assume it was a misunderstanding, and move onHank the Knife wrote:Okay, let's all forgive one and other. Somehow I think that's a good idea
The autumn is here, I guess it makes more sense to look out the window and watch the sun and the clouds play hide and seek
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- 30180 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Which IIRC he said a few pages later, nevermind.Mutant wrote:Because i believed the OP when he said that it was 2 saws.
So, you didn't believe it was Diva, but you believed it was two sawtooths. In future, better believe me from the beginning
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- KVRAF
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We can keep going forever, this thread will have many thousands of pages, the OP will become a millionaire from selling the sound set.fluffy_little_something wrote:Yes, let's assume it was a misunderstanding, and move onHank the Knife wrote:Okay, let's all forgive one and other. Somehow I think that's a good idea![]()
The autumn is here, I guess it makes more sense to look out the window and watch the sun and the clouds play hide and seek
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- 35430 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
erm, no, that wasnt what you initially asserted.Mutant wrote:Nope.whyterabbyt wrote:something 'beyond' Diva's core capabilities.
Something beyond Divas 2 saws.
'effects, echniques' is completely different from merely 'beyond 2 saws'.So if you can't post the patch, then answer this question please:
What did you do (effects, techniques) to Divas recording to CHEAT on this test ?
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"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- 30180 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Maybe we can keep it up until Diva does the Laser Harp sound. That's probably going to be the time where we'll post our own AB tests.Mutant wrote: We can keep going forever, this thread will have many thousands of pages, the OP will become a millionaire from selling the sound set.
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- KVRAF
- 3499 posts since 9 Oct, 2004 from Poland
Which didn't stop you from going in that direction.Urs wrote:Which IIRC he said a few pages later, nevermind.Mutant wrote:Because i believed the OP when he said that it was 2 saws.
Yes at first i dismissed your wave picture, because it wasn't close enough to what i saw on his wave.
What ?Urs wrote:So, you didn't believe it was Diva
From page 29.Mutant wrote:No, i believe him when he is saying A is Diva.
I just doubt it is just Diva and nothing else.
I remember now that my thought processes at that time excluded any possibility of there being the 3rd oscillator, because clearly there are only 2 on OB8, so there was absolutely no reason to use the 3rd to emulate the sound.
"If there are 2 saws on OB8, then there must be 2 saws on Diva."
So if 2 oscillators, if wave looks different than 2 oscillators, then something else must be affecting the sound.
And wait !!!
Look at page 29 and notice the
So it looks like everyone missed the playful not serious mood and even i forgot it... lol
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- KVRAF
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Well if we are all fessing up perhaps Mutant should accept the accusation was made before I said anything about the patch used. As Urs says - the initial accusation was that I had to prove A was Diva...possibly motivated by the fact he got the test wrong? 

So I think it is fair to understand why Urs and I saw this as a suggestion example A was not Diva - and the suggestion that some form of cheating was involved.
So the assumption was made it was 2 saw.Mutant wrote:OK... So you are saying that the first sound on the Diva A_B Test.wav is Diva.
Can you post just this one patch to prove it ?
Because to me this doesn't look like an unprocessed, untouched Divas saw oscillator:
Ok...Mutant wrote:But my eyes (not nose) tell me that something "smells fishy" here...
Mutant wrote:What did you do (effects, techniques) to Divas recording to CHEAT on this test ?
It was 2 pages on that I said it was 2 sawtooth forgetting about the triangle...so I hope you forgive me holding you to account in repaymentMutant wrote:No, i believe him when he is saying A is Diva.
I just doubt it is just Diva and nothing else.
So I think it is fair to understand why Urs and I saw this as a suggestion example A was not Diva - and the suggestion that some form of cheating was involved.
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Hank the Knife Hank the Knife https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=362962
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I am willing to keep this thread alive if I get 0.16% commission from both synth and presets sales 
- KVRAF
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Ive got a Laser Harp test!Urs wrote: Maybe we can keep it up until Diva does the Laser Harp sound. That's probably going to be the time where we'll post our own AB tests.
Anyone want to hear it?
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- 35430 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
That's a hypothesis which would only make sense if the oscillators in Diva were meant to be exact duplicate of the OB8's. It's not the case, though, and that's something you certainly are aware of.Mutant wrote: I remember now that my thought processes at that time excluded any possibility of there being the 3rd oscillator, because clearly there are only 2 on OB8, so there was absolutely no reason to use the 3rd to emulate the sound.
Hence claiming that its somehow 'invalid' to use an oscillator combination that resulted in the right harmonic content, even if that requires an extra oscillator, is disingenuous at best, and dishonest at worst.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 3499 posts since 9 Oct, 2004 from Poland
I got the test wrong by gut feeling before i looked at the waveform display.analoguesamples909 wrote:possibly motivated by the fact he got the test wrong?
Then it just "proved me right" because i knew how Divas saws looked like.
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- KVRAF
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Never claimed such a thing, just that Divas 2 saws don't look like in his clip.whyterabbyt wrote:Hence claiming that its somehow 'invalid' to use an oscillator combination that resulted in the right harmonic content, even if that requires an extra oscillator, is disingenuous at best, and dishonest at worst.
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Are you saying that the look of the clip doesnt reflect the harmonic content?Mutant wrote:Never claimed such a thing, just that Divas 2 saws don't look like in his clip.whyterabbyt wrote:Hence claiming that its somehow 'invalid' to use an oscillator combination that resulted in the right harmonic content, even if that requires an extra oscillator, is disingenuous at best, and dishonest at worst.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
