Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

[trimph1]

This thread has become a mobius strip of its own kind.

[fluffy_little_something]

I would pick the Oberheim, anyway, because I could actually read its GUI labels and it uses zero CPU

[Mutant]

Put it anyway you like, twist it out of shape, rephrase it but the statements of your posts still stand unless you edit all of them. I think you should start to do that right away because there is a whole bloody lot of editing to do here to catch up on your goal movements.

No need to edit anything, you seem to be the only one who can't or don't want to understand.

Fact 1: Go back to page 1 and read few pages and write which A or B do people seem to like more (including words like "warm" for like or "washed out" for dislike) - from what i understand, the majority likes A more, describes A with postive meaningless words like snappy, warm etc.

Fact 2: Since the first virtual analog appeared, people (very often correctly) think that real analog is >better< than digital at "analog sounds" (you know what i mean), this slowly begins to change since about 5 years, but it is still deeply rooted in their minds - everyone here knows it.

Fact 3: If people think that analog is better, they will vote analog on sounds they think are better (logical). And which is better ? First few pages say A is better with just few exceptions.

So ?
Any thougths on the situation ?
No ?
Will you simply accept it without questioning, like religious sheep accept what their priests tell them ?
If we add the money factor, for me this says: OP got it very close but also made sure A will sound better.
Because claiming that A sounds better to more people purely accidentally... that would be ridiculous.
And it is not cheating, because he never said he did not - he only provided the audio and asked which side is which synth.

[IncarnateX]

More twisting and rephrasing. Give it up Mutant. If anything is obvious then it is the fact that you couldn't cope with being proven wrong when you made your first accusation and then came back and stated a tautology to deal with it; a new accusation that cannot even be falsified. Even if we put your twisted ideas of science, burden of evidence and statistics aside and ignore your goal movements, you have displayed a miserable personal motive for being here. Be careful that it doesn't evolve into a full blown narcissistic personality disorder.

Go find yourself some peace of mind now. You need it.

Over and out

[Mutant]

accusation

Stop being so emotional, it is not like i accused you of killing your mother.

[V0RT3X]

More twisting and rephrasing. Give it up Mutant. If anything is obvious then it is the fact that you couldn't cope with being proven wrong when you made your first accusation and then came back and stated a tautology to deal with it; a new accusation that cannot even be falsified. Even if we put your twisted ideas of science, burden of evidence and statistics aside and ignore your goal movements, you have displayed a miserable personal motive for being here. Be careful that it doesn't evolve into a full blown narcissistic personality disorder.

Go find yourself some peace of mind now. You need it.

Over and out

That was eloquent. You could have put in *Drops mike and walks away* after for added effect.

[fluffy_little_something]

Give him a break. Just because most people are against him and he doesn't change his view, doesn't mean he is wrong or a narcissist. Maybe you are all wrong, like when they all thought the Earth was the center of the universe Given the obviously different sound of the two supposedly same sets of sounds, it is no wonder Mutant and a few others including me suspected foul play. And frankly I have not been convinced of the opposite, yet. I mean, who knows if it was simply not possible to make them sound much more similar (even things like whether or not the hw Oberheim was in mint condition play a role) or whether the differences were intended...

Let's face it, there will be no winners and losers in this dispute because there is no way to prove anything. Let's stop wasting our time

[wagtunes]

Let's play "what if" because I'm really trying to see if there is any substance here.

What if a hardware analog synth really can't be emulated accurately by a VST?

What does that mean?

Does it mean that, if for example you wanted to do a retro style 80s song that you couldn't use software to effectively get the idea across? That the only way to do that is to use hardware?

Does it mean that you can't make professional sounding music without using a hardware synth?

Does it mean that hardware is superior in sound and thus any song made with software is inferior?

Please, somebody tell me what this means IF we concede that a VST can't sound as "good" as a hardware analog synth.

The "meanings" should be as hilarious as the argument itself.

[Mutant]

Please, somebody tell me what this means IF we concede that a VST can't sound as "good" as a hardware analog synth.

I thought this thread proved once and for all times that a software synth can sound better than a real analog, if the operator is as adept at programming synths as the OP udoubtely is.

[wagtunes]

Please, somebody tell me what this means IF we concede that a VST can't sound as "good" as a hardware analog synth.

I thought this thread proved once and for all times that a software synth can sound better than a real analog, if the operator is as adept at programming synths as the OP udoubtely is.

Hey, I'm not arguing that. But I am sure there are many here who would. So my question is directed to those people.

[IncarnateX]

epilogue:

arf arf

And will the owner kindly get this dog out of my backyard?

And please do it fast before I am tempted to kick it over the fence.

Thanks.

[pdxindy]

But if they could EASILY get it much closer (and if B sounds worse, then closer would mean worse), then it would point at the possibility of the OP making some effort to >>surpass<< the analog with Diva, not just match it.

And if someone can surpass the analogue, why not do so? It seems you are still trying to prove some sort of cheating where none is possible and most everyone would approve anyway.

[fluffy_little_something]

epilogue:

arf arf

And will the owner kindly get this dog out of my backyard?

And please do it fast before I am tempted to kick it over the fence.

Thanks.

Huh?!

[pdxindy]

Give him a break. Just because most people are against him and he doesn't change his view, doesn't mean he is wrong or a narcissist. Maybe you are all wrong, like when they all thought the Earth was the center of the universe Given the obviously different sound of the two supposedly same sets of sounds, it is no wonder Mutant and a few others including me suspected foul play. And frankly I have not been convinced of the opposite, yet. I mean, who knows if it was simply not possible to make them sound much more similar (even things like whether or not the hw Oberheim was in mint condition play a role) or whether the differences were intended...

Let's face it, there will be no winners and losers in this dispute because there is no way to prove anything. Let's stop wasting our time

That is because you are both conspiracy theorists... any difference must be purposeful and have nefarious intent.

When of course it is far more likely to do with two different synths with different architectures inevitably sounding different.

[Mutant]

But if they could EASILY get it much closer (and if B sounds worse, then closer would mean worse), then it would point at the possibility of the OP making some effort to >>surpass<< the analog with Diva, not just match it.

And if someone can surpass the analogue, why not do so? It seems you are still trying to prove some sort of cheating where none is possible and most everyone would approve anyway.

Where exactly did i say that it was wrong to do it ?
You seem to be influenced by the "professor" who clearly thinks that it is very wrong, therefore thinks i am an evil person for accusing the OP of something very wrong.

This thread is an attempt at selling as many sound sets as possible, marketing calls for some half truths and secrets and everyone forgives the marketer for using these tools.

Or wait is Coca Cola really as good as they say it is in all the commercial messages ?

Also as i said many times, the sounds are very close and that the fact that A sounds a bit better to so many people only says good things about OP's skills.