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bungle · Post by **bungle** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:01 pm

Redux has serious architectural issues that where brought up during its development and ignored by the developers, there are much better sample plugins for less or free.

dformd · Post by **dformd** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:04 pm

whatever

fischkopf · Post by **fischkopf** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:10 pm

bungle wrote:Redux has serious architectural issues that where brought up during its development and ignored by the developers, there are much better sample plugins for less or free.

Such as?

fedexnman · Post by **fedexnman** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:48 pm

+1 ??

Taika-Kim · Post by **Taika-Kim** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:40 am

I'm interested. And old, it seems. I still think of Renoise as "that new sequencer I just started using", but ahem I guess that was in 2008 or so...

Anyway, I was surprised by the sound of the filters, since previously they were "digital bland", not even "dirty damn interesting digital".

Of course the main thing is the sequencer,I love doing drums and loop stuff with a tracker interface.

I´m not sure about the multisampling etc capabilities, not really my cup of tea, I usually take phrases of live playing, and cut and edit that up so I will have more articulation (and creative limitations) if I work with acoustic sounds. And synths I make with, well, synths instead of samples...

So I think this will work well with Reaper, my other DAW, and remove the need for any drum & fx sampler once and for all...

Mivo · Post by **Mivo** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:08 pm

The effects in Redux are quite amazing. Very excited that they will make their way into the next Renoise version (3.1), too.

Tonberry · Post by **Tonberry** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:49 pm

Is there any news about it though? It's been probably a year with not even an x.x1 update and devs avoid answering people's questions about it on Renoise forums. Doesn't look good

dformd · Post by **dformd** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:01 pm

Tonberry wrote:Is there any news about it though? It's been probably a year with not even an x.x1 update and devs avoid answering people's questions about it on Renoise forums. Doesn't look good

Things look great to me.

Firstly; if you're wondering why there hasn't been an update on Renoise it's because the devs have been focusing on finishing and releasing Redux. I'm surprised I have to mention this; considering the title and topic of this thread.

Secondly; the devs have stated over and over in the Renoise Forum that they do not provide information about future releases for a variety of logical reasons. One reason (and I'm totally paraphrasing) is that they don't want users to have expectations that may not materialize. This allows the (quite small) dev team to stay relaxed and focused on creating a release that is solid and refined. They've had this same position for as long as I can remember.

Thirdly; and this relates to both my first and second points; they're a small (relatively speaking) dev team with lives.

If you've followed Renoise development for the last 10+ years you'd know development is ramping up.

It's freak'n amazing what this small team has been able to pull off and how affordable they make it.

A year is nothing.

dformd · Post by **dformd** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:00 pm

Also I recall I read they took a vacation after the last monumental (imo) Renoise release (3.0). Good for them.

Mivo · Post by **Mivo** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:19 am

Tonberry wrote:Is there any news about it though? It's been probably a year with not even an x.x1 update and devs avoid answering people's questions about it on Renoise forums. Doesn't look good

There's Renoise 3.0.1. Danoise (or maybe it was dblue) mentioned a couple weeks ago that 3.1 is currently in alpha testing, so I'm optimistic that we'll see it before the year is over. It's pretty normal for Renoise that there are no release dates given, and that development happens in bursts.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:05 am

Wow, Computer Music really dig Redux

They give it a two page review, 10 out of 10 rating and shower it with accolades:
Editor's Choice, Innovation, Value, Perfomrance awards

I don't think I've seen Renoise spend a lot of ad money in that mag...

AgiKvr · Post by **AgiKvr** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:23 am

sorry for (maybe) dumb question:
is it possible modulate by lfo,adsr ecc.. (for example) filter cut off AND ring modulation or decimator frequency SIMULTANEOUSLY (into the same set)? I think it's not possible but maybe I'm wrong...It would be very creative not to be limited to volume,pitch,cutoff and modulations.....
thanx for the support (I'm still learning this beast!)

Tonberry · Post by **Tonberry** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:35 am

dformd wrote:I'm surprised I have to mention this; considering the title and topic of this thread.

That's deep, keep breathing.

dformd wrote:If you've followed Renoise development for the last 10+ years you'd know development is ramping up.

If you'd follow common sense you'd notice than in the last two years there was only a 0.0.1 update which was a minor bug fix and nothing more. Do a simple math and you'll find out that on average Renoise has been updated twice a year. That's 4 times the tempo of last two years development. The only thing ramping up here is your imagination.

dformd wrote:It's freak'n amazing what this small team has been able to pull off and how affordable they make it.

Reaper has 2 or 3 programmers (so same as Renoise probably) and the last 0.01 update was made 2 WEEKS after .00 version has arrived. That's 40 weeks less than Renoise 0.0.1 update. It has many times more functionality than Renoise and costs $15 less. Renoise is still very affordable when compared to full versions of Studio One etc. but the "what this small team has been able to pull off" argument.... nope ;P

There's nothing simply amazing about the recent Renoise update frequency and the fact that they keep people in the dark about it makes things even worse. It's great that Redux was released but it's great for everyone but Renoise users (or people who did use it and wanted to switch but couldn't and now can). It's not like we're going to use Redux in Renoise, not to mention paying twice for much of the same functionality. And Redux release aside, 1 year to get to 0.0.1 is not even a crawl.They need to get their shit together because every other major "cheap yet powerful" daw in the market is doing amazing things in frequent updates recently, would be lovely if Renoise devs would step up their game a little.

Mivo · Post by **Mivo** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:37 am

Tonberry wrote:If you'd follow common sense you'd notice than in the last two years there was only a 0.0.1 update which was a minor bug fix and nothing more.

Renoise 3.0 was released in April 2014, the .1 update in October. Yes, Renoise development is slow, but I don't think they are full-time programmers or that Renoise and Redux provide enough income. (Redux might have helped a lot, though, it seems well-received.)

Tonberry · Post by **Tonberry** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:11 pm

http://www.renoise.com/products/renoise/release-notes

I think so too, if they'd be able to live of off it updating frequency would probably look entirely different. Maybe it's selfish to expect more from them given that it's a side project for them and they have to put food on the table first and foremost but given that they take such fresh and original angle and there's zero competition (Sunvox, OpenMPT etc. are not on its level IMHO), it would be such a waste if Renoise would get abandoned because tracker is an amazing alternative environment to work with and Renoise did so many things right already.

Redux (Renoise Sampler) VST version!!