I was pretty disappointed in Diva

[Doug1978]

This thread is crazy

And somewhat ironically given the OP's intentions, it has actually served to endorse Diva's credentials.

There's been some good, informative posts in here, some tasty whiskey recommendations and some stunning pictures of the world's best animal too, phwoar!

Anyway, I look forward to seeing where u-he will go next with its software; I'd love Urs to bring out a decent vocal extraction software, but that's highly unlikely to be fair.

[whyterabbyt]

chilly7 recognize that DIVA is still Software.

Did he? I mean, did he really. Because he has zero experience of analogue hardware, a constant history of claiming u-he products need to be changed despite never having bought any, and Dunning-Kruger on the high end of the Richter scale.

Given all that, and the fact that his supposed 'recognition' of which was which came at least a fortnight after it was revealed which which was which, I dont really think he does 'recognize'. I think his 'recognition' is entirely the result of a twisted sort of conformation bias, based on deciding that since he already knew which one was Diva, he 'had' to believe that the analogue synth sounded 'better'.

[zvenx]

......a constant history of claiming u-he products need to be changed despite never having bought any

......'.

This!

Rsp

[RedChameau]

Did he? I mean, did he really. Because he has zero experience of analogue hardware, a constant history of claiming u-he products need to be changed despite never having bought any, and Dunning-Kruger on the high end of the Richter scale.

Given all that, and the fact that his supposed 'recognition' of which was which came at least a fortnight after it was revealed which which was which, I dont really think he does 'recognize'. I think his 'recognition' is entirely the result of a twisted sort of conformation bias, based on deciding that since he already knew which one was Diva, he 'had' to believe that the analogue synth sounded 'better'.

Best contribution to this intensely absurd thread so far

[BMoore]

As if you couldn't edit the QUOTE tags manually, tsk

It's a pain in the Diva to do that on an iPad.

[BMoore]

Really? One of the most professionally lauded synths in recent years is so bad, that they need to change their marketing because it's too kind to their own product? Are you sure you disembarked on the correct planet?

Well, since I am one of the multitudes of "wrong" (thanks for enlightening me - I'll set about completely discarding my entire 40-year synth experience and start over now), then let me just counter by saying that you're obviously "jizzing your pant" just by saying "doesn't sound analog" over and over again. Since it is an entirely subjective, and technically meaningless, statement, you too then must be "wrong" according to your own "logic," over and over again! The repetitive nature of your continual restatement makes sense when we consider that it's necessary for you to repeat "doesn't sound analog" over and over again for you to achieve orgasm.

But this brings two questions to mind: does being wrong also make you "jizz your pant," and, what's it like to jizz only one pant? Or perhaps always being "right" does it for you? You know, like beating people over the head with "I am right and you are wrong" over and over, until they submit, and you achieve orgasm?

By the way, we all get that you don't like DIVA and we're fine with it. But please allow me my opinion: my love (it's really the only word that fits) for all my U-He synths is anything but "wrong."

Do you have point here?
It's not my opinion that Diva doesn't sound analog. People with great analog knowledge couldn't even pick the analog synth in that video. They picked the "best" sounding, not the analog sounding synth.
So.

[BMoore]

Sorry for the lame multi answer format. Blame Apple.

No worries. I'm also too lazy to disentangle your post...

Tongue in cheek: It's got an unrivaled analogue sound not just in software but also in analogue

Now, before we split hairs and all that stuff, let's figure this out. So we took some things that only analogue synths did back then and digital synths pretty much didn't. But we also left some "bad stuff" away that analogue synths do and we kept some stuff that digital synths are good at. This still, at that time, made Diva sound more analogue than any digital synth I knew. I also think that not much came after that was a better emulation, let alone a more comprehensive one. After all, we wouldn't have these discussions if suddenly the world had become crowded with great analogue emulations.

Weak answer, Urs. Really.
But I don't care about this any more. And I'm buying Diva over the weekend, so there, haters!

[mcnoone]

And I'm buying Diva over the weekend, so there, haters!

I believe my Diva sounds better than your Diva.
Maybe we can test them in a side by side test.

[Apostate]

Diva to me just sounds SO good out of the box. It's my go to as far as looking for an immediately great lead sound. I sympathize with folks whom don't spend much time programming it (guys like Ingo already did an amazing job of that, some of his most killer presets are in that synth imo).

I spend scads more time programming the Diva filters in Zebra HZ than I program Diva in general. Still, Diva is something I can't imagine getting rid of, it's like a miracle synth in my eyes. Terrific sound, all the time.

[pdxindy]

Having said that, I've also never demoed Diva for fear of being sold on it as soon as i start playing with it.

Smart move... once you demo it you wont be able to resist...

Each filter model has its own distinct and nuanced character. And I don't mean like lots of synths that have dozens of filter types that do sound different but still of a similar character and basically predictable. The Diva filters are full of subtle non-linear goodness...

[Apostate]

Having said that, I've also never demoed Diva for fear of being sold on it as soon as i start playing with it.

Smart move... once you demo it you wont be able to resist...

Each filter model has its own distinct and nuanced character. And I don't mean like lots of synths that have dozens of filter types that do sound different but still of a similar character and basically predictable. The Diva filters are full of subtle non-linear goodness...

You said it. Sounds like you've come up with some pretty cool sounds with Diva, judging by your "Musings".

[nilhartman]

I sincerely hope Diva will (slowly) drift from her initial concept, and will welcome some original designs as well.
She sounds fantastic on her own and I, for one, don't give a duck about the authenticity of the emulations or the analogueness of her sounds. It's a blessing to be able to mix and match all those tones in a such intuitive way.

I really don't get all the complaints about her sounding not faithful enough (or any emulation for that matter): if you're using a high-end (quality wise) piece of software, what's the point of pretending it to be software? If it sounds good, it sounds good, no matter the technology used. [/rant]

[pdxindy]

I sincerely hope Diva will (slowly) drift from her initial concept, and will welcome some original designs as well.

The Digital Osc is an emulation and it is such a diverse addition to Diva. I like that Diva sticks to emulations of classic Oscs or Filters. There are still various creative designs that have stood the test of time to become classics that could be added and will diversify Diva and not be redundant.

Emulating such classics is also a natural barrier to feature creep.

[nilhartman]

Emulating such classics is also a natural barrier to feature creep.

I didn't consider that precise point, makes a lot of sense.

[Gonga]

Really? One of the most professionally lauded synths in recent years is so bad, that they need to change their marketing because it's too kind to their own product? Are you sure you disembarked on the correct planet?

Well, since I am one of the multitudes of "wrong" (thanks for enlightening me - I'll set about completely discarding my entire 40-year synth experience and start over now), then let me just counter by saying that you're obviously "jizzing your pant" just by saying "doesn't sound analog" over and over again. Since it is an entirely subjective, and technically meaningless, statement, you too then must be "wrong" according to your own "logic," over and over again! The repetitive nature of your continual restatement makes sense when we consider that it's necessary for you to repeat "doesn't sound analog" over and over again for you to achieve orgasm.

But this brings two questions to mind: does being wrong also make you "jizz your pant," and, what's it like to jizz only one pant? Or perhaps always being "right" does it for you? You know, like beating people over the head with "I am right and you are wrong" over and over, until they submit, and you achieve orgasm?

By the way, we all get that you don't like DIVA and we're fine with it. But please allow me my opinion: my love (it's really the only word that fits) for all my U-He synths is anything but "wrong."

Do you have point here?
It's not my opinion that Diva doesn't sound analog. People with great analog knowledge couldn't even pick the analog synth in that video. They picked the "best" sounding, not the analog sounding synth.
So.

Well, OK, I'll spell it out for you. My point was to counter a mean-spirited, disrespectful, ignorant post made by an annoying, know-nothing bully, addressing one of the most important, and for the time being, while it lasts - accessible - music software developers of our time. Oh yeah, you attacked everyone who supported DIVA in this thread too. To summarize: your posts are among the most arrogant I've ever read on kvr. Try some humility.