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Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:07 pm

sfd wrote:Well, something I would really really love to hear is the drums that you can find in Kraftwerk's Metal On Metal from the LP Trans Europa Express. The groove is really grate and rare. There are zillions of variation possibilites here as well.

If one think about it. The whole main grove is really quite jazz based actually.

A very well known grove that , by some reason , nobody re-produce.

Yeah I was expecting some Kraftwerk stuff. Will do this one. ( there's probably a big flanger on the percussion though, it will be an interesting challenge to see what can be done -dont expect the same exact sound though- )

sfd · Post by **sfd** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:55 pm

@Lotuzia

Some of the sounds on that track can be a bit tricky to reproduce. Like the steam sound and the hammering on pipes.

If I remembr correctly they took a simple drum machine from a farfisa organ and buildt a simple drumk kit. But I don't know if it's used on this track.

If you listen to the song Man Machine form the album with the same name you'll clearly hear how the drum pattern there are a direct development from the one that you hear on the previou's album's Metal On Metal and Trans Europa Express.

Kraftwerk's drum tracks are so unique that one coudl call them their trademark. Few or no one really copy them. As a difference form most other drum tracks.

(Ok Africa Bambaata. But Planet Rock was a direct theft )

It's like nearly nobody copy the bassline from Ultravox's Vienna. If you did - everyone would just refere to Vienna. I think Fancy is the only one who actually copyed that bassline. And indeed his track sounded like Vienna.

But the great thing with the drum track of Metal On Metal or Trans Europa Express is that it really invites to a zillion of variations.

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:11 pm

How about famous 'world' grooves such as Latin grooves from Santana ( Oye como va, soul sacrifice, Black magic woman), contemporary African grooves such as on Paul Simon's Graceland (diamonds on the soles), Caribbean grooves such as Buena Vista Social Club / Afro-cuban All Stars (chan chan), and cimbalom grooves such as the top Gypsy band Taraf de Haidouks? Just a few thoughts...

sprnva · Post by **sprnva** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:43 pm

Maybe Hallogallo by Neu. Something motorik should be included

electro · Post by **electro** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:13 pm

Wouldn't MIDI files make the patterns accessible to any drum machine (hard or soft)?

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:21 pm

Michael L wrote:How about famous 'world' grooves such as Latin grooves from Santana ( Oye como va, soul sacrifice, Black magic woman), contemporary African grooves such as on Paul Simon's Graceland (diamonds on the soles), Caribbean grooves such as Buena Vista Social Club / Afro-cuban All Stars (chan chan), and cimbalom grooves such as the top Gypsy band Taraf de Haidouks? Just a few thoughts...

Well it's primarily a full analog drum machine, but with other synthesis and cross synthesis methods on board. It has a sequencer. A quite special and capable one.

Then it will not easily turn into Michael Shrieve + an armada of latin percussion players, with sophisticated human grooves in all parts and every corner of a song. Though it will be capable to make in therory any groove/shuffle and adapt to any human groove, it's still a Drum Machine, with very direct and intuitive pattern creation, but still ... patterns etc etc. I can now confirm it will also be capable of faking *acoustic parts*, with a reasonable level of *realism*. But only to a certain degree, and not to the level of adding something like BFD + all the different drumkits and percussions kits + NI 60's drummer + tuned percussions kits etc + triggered by live tracks played on Vdrums by talented drummers.

So the range from this Drum Machine will go from purely electronic and repetitive stuff, to very syncopated and groovy stuff, while its sonic range will go from pure analog drum machines to cross-synthesis including samples à la vintage ( Think EMU Drumulator, SCI drumtracks, etc etc )

If you want some pure acoustic and advanced drumming stuff, I think the only way to go is a talented drummer and the usual armada of gazillions gigamultisampled sets of drumkits, percussions kits, specialised cymblas sets, hi end reverbs, and classic compressors, that populate my HDs as well when I'"m after this kind of vibe.

This said, I promise I'll include some latin inspired presets. Because I think the hybridation of a "drum machine" and the Latin spirit can give good and shaking results.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:50 pm

electro wrote:Wouldn't MIDI files make the patterns accessible to any drum machine (hard or soft)?

Certainly but .... I dont know if all Drum machines accept midifiles. I'm not certain about that. Anyway, the Sequencer Engine of this drum machine and its synthesis engines are so intimately tied that it would make less sense to play them with other units. Also, it's *pattern* based.

Then, if people want midifiles from this or that precise song, I think there are a lot of Midifiles/Midigrooves providers for that.

The aim of his thread is to gather some material belonging to the common DNA of the Drum Machines Story seen as *a culture*, and ground this particular unit into this wordlwide shared imaginarium, to please a few people and thank them for giving me new sources of inspiration, and, in the end, to try to offer a certain *decent variety of classic presets*, styles, grooves.

ere2learn · Post by **ere2learn** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:03 am

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:06 am

sprnva wrote:Maybe Hallogallo by Neu. Something motorik should be included

Sehr Kosmisch

I think you would be much better served by an acoustic drum library to recreate this one. You have crescendos in the snares etc etc that require multisamples to be accurately recreated, not only in the partition, but the sonic rendering as well. This said I might include a kind of motoric spirit preset ( did not even know the name), with the BD hammering the groove, adapted to a drum machine. Could be interesting. Well, I'll see.

ere2learn · Post by **ere2learn** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:07 am

Doug1978 · Post by **Doug1978** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:15 am

“Give It Up” by The Goodmen.

ere2learn · Post by **ere2learn** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:22 am

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:38 am

Doug1978 wrote:“Give It Up” by The Goodmen.

Brazilian Samba/Batucada shuffle. I'll give it a try, but it certainly wont sound similar. You need some very specific sample sets to achieve this kind of beats ( Snare ensemble beatings etc ) . But the feeling/spirit is maybe possible to capture/approach more/less. A real challenge

. We'll see.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:40 am

ere2learn wrote:

Relies too much on loops arrangements. You'd need similar loop material, and a looper/slicer would be more appropriate to approach this kind of groove potion.

Astralv · Post by **Astralv** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 1:35 am

We were just talking that old school Industrial and drum and base music disappeared because new generation producers dont take time to program groove beats in electronic music. The closest it gets to groove now days is in Dubstep, which is basic rhythm double time.

I am looking for complicated groovy beats such as Prodigy, old Crystal Method- thanks for asking- we had such a great time at each Crystal Method concert over the years- if you live anywhere close to them- go see them. Also all those videos listed on the left have good drums, let it play.

The Prodigy - Smack My Bch Up

These famous drum grooves/patterns you'd like to find in a drum machine