Bargain Center: discussion, gossip, etc.

[LGK_Dude]

Yeah you have to be careful with all HD's and sample libraries to make sure you are not overloading the thruput bandwidth of the drive. SSDs and USB3 are much better in this regard, but that USB3 port can still fill up when streaming many voices (some EW libraries stream 16 samples for one note!) When using multiple heavy libraries its still best to spread them across multiple drives.

[Hans25]

Yeah you have to be careful with all HD's and sample libraries to make sure you are not overloading the thruput bandwidth of the drive. SSDs and USB3 are much better in this regard, but that USB3 port can still fill up when streaming many voices (some EW libraries stream 16 samples for one note!) When using multiple heavy libraries its still best to spread them across multiple drives.

I thought they were imported to the Memory from the harddrive before playing? I don't think you are correct about the stream. The reason why it takes time to load a library in external harddrives is because they have to be loaded into the RAM.

[VitaminD]

96 registrations away from the next tier and we run out of time... in other terms, 904/1000 (90.4%) and they pull the carrot from our faces and say too bad. haha

at 5 for 1 it was really nice deal... but wow.. to come so close and then fail.. it is a bummer.

[homestudiomusician]

Yeah you have to be careful with all HD's and sample libraries to make sure you are not overloading the thruput bandwidth of the drive. SSDs and USB3 are much better in this regard, but that USB3 port can still fill up when streaming many voices (some EW libraries stream 16 samples for one note!) When using multiple heavy libraries its still best to spread them across multiple drives.

I thought they were imported to the Memory from the harddrive before playing? I don't think you are correct about the stream. The reason why it takes time to load a library in external harddrives is because they have to be loaded into the RAM.

Only the headers of the samples are loaded into RAM, then the rest streams. There's a great tutorial on this at groove3 - it's part of the orchestral templates course.

[LGK_Dude]

Yeah you have to be careful with all HD's and sample libraries to make sure you are not overloading the thruput bandwidth of the drive. SSDs and USB3 are much better in this regard, but that USB3 port can still fill up when streaming many voices (some EW libraries stream 16 samples for one note!) When using multiple heavy libraries its still best to spread them across multiple drives.

I thought they were imported to the Memory from the harddrive before playing? I don't think you are correct about the stream. The reason why it takes time to load a library in external harddrives is because they have to be loaded into the RAM.

Nope. Only part of a sample is loaded into ram, the rest is streaming from the HD. How much is dependent on your settings for your sample player. The difference between platter drives and SSD is that are solid state and thus have no spinning parts, so they can access data faster than platter drives which need to spin to that section of the drive where the samples are located, but either way the data still needs to be transferred off either drive into your sample player for playback. This is where thru-put and bandwidth comes into play. SSD's are better in this regard as well, but you are still limited by the bandwidth in the USB3 (where as internal SSD's on 6GB's ports offer more bandwidth).

Granted for most users they will never hit the limits of USB 3, but for those of us who do heavy virtual instrument writing we can max out the bandwidth just using EW Hollywood Strings. I personally try to separate my heaviest libraries across different drives just for this reason, or you will get dropouts when the polyphony gets too high.

[Fleer]

96 registrations away from the next tier and we run out of time... in other terms, 904/1000 (90.4%) and they pull the carrot from our faces and say too bad. haha

at 5 for 1 it was really nice deal... but wow.. to come so close and then fail.. it is a bummer.

Yep, still wondering why IK doesn't extend with a week or so. Come to think of it, all of us scrambled to make them an extra $75.000 or so, trying to field those last 1000 registrations, yet we get nothing to show for it.

[VitaminD]

96 registrations away from the next tier and we run out of time... in other terms, 904/1000 (90.4%) and they pull the carrot from our faces and say too bad. haha

at 5 for 1 it was really nice deal... but wow.. to come so close and then fail.. it is a bummer.

Come to think of it, all of us scrambled to make them an extra $75.000 or so, trying to field those last 1000 registrations, yet we get nothing to show for it.

My thoughts exactly.

[Hans25]

Nope. Only part of a sample is loaded into ram, the rest is streaming from the HD. How much is dependent on your settings for your sample player. The difference between platter drives and SSD is that are solid state and thus have no spinning parts, so they can access data faster than platter drives which need to spin to that section of the drive where the samples are located, but either way the data still needs to be transferred off either drive into your sample player for playback. This is where thru-put and bandwidth comes into play. SSD's are better in this regard as well, but you are still limited by the bandwidth in the USB3 (where as internal SSD's on 6GB's ports offer more bandwidth).

Granted for most users they will never hit the limits of USB 3, but for those of us who do heavy virtual instrument writing we can max out the bandwidth just using EW Hollywood Strings. I personally try to separate my heaviest libraries across different drives just for this reason, or you will get dropouts when the polyphony gets too high.

Ok I see. Learned something new then sorry .

[Hans25]

Only the headers of the samples are loaded into RAM, then the rest streams. There's a great tutorial on this at groove3 - it's part of the orchestral templates course.

Yes I see.

[Nspace]

Zero-G continue their cinematic 70% series offering Dark Skies at $30 (plus VAT for the unlucky) with the code: DS70
http://www.zero-g.co.uk/store/dark-skie ... s-p444.php
Offer ends at 09.00 am (PST) Tuesday morning, 3 November

Numanoid, I noticed you know your way on cinematic libraries. Which one would you recommend for the highest quality sound samples of sound Fx, strange percs, granule, at much swoshes, etc ...as opposed to ambient, drones or loops ones, which i am not interested in now?
Zero-G has some 96Khz libs, that would be a superb bonus since I want to apply time effects on them.
(Kontakt)

[LGK_Dude]

Ok I see. Learned something new then sorry .

Glad to help!

[Nspace]

But potential buyers beware, this one is DARK

Well I'm out then. Not into dark so much. I wish there was more "Light Skies" out there, where the pads give you a sense of euphoria and bliss. Guess there is more use for the darkness in commercial music though.

Concord LGK_Dude ...to some extent. Interesting sounds needn't to be under dark, nightmarish, etc. classification (neither celestial or rose ones), which obviously means not too biased into a single perspective. Why not have far out libraries?

Not wanting to start a polemic, but this polarizing talk is similar to that had at the early 90s, when there were the Techno side of sounds, then meaning machinery (or more accurately broken machinery), harsh noise oriented sounds -versus- other more organic electronic styles, which could be as synthetic, effected or creative as the counterpart, but many times dismissed.

///My take is that each has its place, and apart from each person set taste, 'course each one is entitled to have, there is a cyclic element to the perception of sounds -and styles specially-, in that once a style framework is set and exhausted (once a universe is completed), best way to innovate would be to start again... many times dressing in dark/reactive themes, I assume in dire contrast with the strength (and control) the previous wave exerted.

This explains a lot about the need of minimalism at the early 00s.
And now comes the interesting part; often the reactionary new beginnings are useless in the context of what was intended to attain at the universe (of sound) before completed... however for discerning eyes (ears), it could be a very good source of new creative sounds, atmospheres, articulations, etc.
Yes, this perspective does not take away the rebuild work (if you want to attain your deeper artistic aim), but it helps.

Got carried away -again-

[LGK_Dude]

Great philosophical thoughts Nspace, and they are very apt and valid. Its just that I'm working on an album right now who's overall goal is to "rise above the darkness," and though it will obviously have moments featuring the darkness, I feel I'm pretty well covered in this regard. It seems to me, (generalizing here of course), that darkness / edgy is more represented than the light / bliss, thus my desire to represent the light. And its quite understandable when you think of it - anger and darkness are more of "action" emotions where as bliss / euphoria are more "passive" as in you let it wash over you. (again generalizing)

I'll take another look at dark skies though, as contrast is key IMO and if it offers something new to my pallet already heavy in the darker side of the spectrum, one more library wont hurt, haha. I guess I was just hoping that Zero-g also had some blissful libraries geared towards the light side and that someone might point them out in this thread so I can scoop them up when they are on sale.

[Fleer]

Nspace's a philosopher of music indeed

[Apostate]

I find it refreshing to see people are looking for more light sounds, might I recommend the excellent Zebra Padsheaven soundsets? There are some truly beautiful things in those sets.

I too wondered if, having bought Albion IV, Earth DNA, and Animato in the same month, I needed Dark Skies on top of. I mean, you get a whopping load of creepy (at times intensely creepy) samples with those items. But the $30 really is a steal for what you get. Interesting though, I often find myself running the Zero G's samples through my classic Camel Alchemy rather than Kontakt...(shrugs).