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ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:08 am

Musical Gym wrote:thanks Olivier
I didn't find any in-depth video reviews for World Traditions. Does that mean there was little interest in it?
What is the quality of the playable instruments in World Traditions?

World Traditions is the only sample library I ever returned.
It's not all bad, but for instance the "Irish Flutes Long" are basically the "Irish Flutes Short" with a loop point that totally does not work. A very short loop that is clearly audible and sounds like a something from a not so hot 80ies rompler.
Or the Indian Percussion has 4 (in words "four") tabla loops...
Overall it is a mixed bag of stuff that doesn't really allow you to work on any one area in depth. You get a bit of everything but hardly enough to build a more elaborate piece.
For todays standards, it feels more like what you get in a random sampler from a sample vendor than a full blown library.
I guess it's quite old and never got an update.
A nice freebie but probably nothing to blow your socks off.

But it's better than the gongs

So yeah, UVI could really do with some fresh and high quality creative libraries...

Cheers,

Tom

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:16 am

otristan wrote:
ThomasHelzle wrote:Oh, and a question:
- If I save a program with samples, no samples are saved anywhere I can see them (subfolder of the sound-program location, right?).
- If I save a multi with samples, the samples are found as expected in a subfolder of the multi.
Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
I was using the IRCAM Grain OSX with an external sample from my library.

And another one:
Is it true that there is no modulation/macros on the multi level or did I miss something?
I thought I could work around the non-working surround output with duplicating my program, have the two set to output 1 and 2 and then modulate their pan and volume in a way that allows me to move them through space (I'm mainly interested in the four surround speakers, so things are simple).
Right now this seems only possible through automating level and pan on the program level for both programs from the DAW, but it would be nicer to have one combined control (X/Y pads would really be nice here ) on the multi-level.
Or are there ways to do this via scripting?

Cheers,

Tom
If you save a preset with sample from the factory library we keep references toward the factory library and do not copy factory samples.
Strange that this is not the same for multi unless those were your samples and not the factory ones. Will have to check.

You can have modulation on the multi level (usefull to modulate Part FX) but no macro knob which are meant for Program use
Still you can MIDI learn or assign automation to all parameters.
With scripting you can indeed export knob for any parameter, but this is a bit more complex.

I was saving the same thing in both cases, using one of my own samples. I didn't intend to save the multi, but when the program did not save the sample, I tried the multi and that worked.
I would actually prefer saving the program with samples in that case.

Okay, I found the top-level modulation in the mixer - sorry for missing that.

I have not looked into scripting deeply yet, but if that would be a way to do it it would be cool.

Thanks a lot for your help and for being on this thread!

Cheers,

Tom

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:18 am

Use Save Program and Samples as

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:21 am

otristan wrote:Use Save Program and Samples as

That is what I did and what does not work.
Windows 8.1 using the standalone (but it's the same in the VST).

Cheers,

Tom

Musical Gym · Post by **Musical Gym** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:21 am

Tom, thanks for mini review of World Traditions. Since I could only use the voucher on their site and pickings in that price range were not that appealing to me, I opted for it. Hopefully, some of the "world" influence might give me some composing ideas/inspiration. Since it was a "gift," I can't complain.

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:27 am

Musical Gym wrote:Tom, thanks for mini review of World Traditions. Since I could only use the voucher on their site and pickings in that price range were not that appealing to me, I opted for it. Hopefully, some of the "world" influence might give me some composing ideas/inspiration. Since it was a "gift," I can't complain.

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:28 am

ThomasHelzle wrote:
otristan wrote:Use Save Program and Samples as
That is what I did and what does not work.
Windows 8.1 using the standalone (but it's the same in the VST).

Cheers,

Tom

Just tried. Works fine here.
Please double check that this is "Save Program and Samples as" and not "Save program and Samples"

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:22 am

otristan wrote:
ThomasHelzle wrote:
otristan wrote:Use Save Program and Samples as
That is what I did and what does not work.
Windows 8.1 using the standalone (but it's the same in the VST).

Cheers,

Tom
Just tried. Works fine here.
Please double check that this is "Save Program and Samples as" and not "Save program and Samples"

Arghhhh. I would have sworn that is what I did, but since it indeed works today, it seems not.
Another

for me.
Sorry about that.

But still: wouldn't it make sense if I have saved a program without samples first and then choose "Save program and Samples" that it would also work?
At least that is what I would expect?.
Sometimes you may first start something with one normal oscillator and add something with samples to it later and only then realize you should also save the samples - in that case you may not double check and only find out later that the sample is not saved as expected with the "save" instead of "save as"?

What's the reasoning here?

Cheers and thanks!

Tom

Musical Gym · Post by **Musical Gym** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:24 am

My patch names are cut off on the right of the right tree view pane and I don't see a scroll bar. Is there one?

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:26 am

Musical Gym wrote:My patch names are cut off on the right of the right tree view pane and I don't see a scroll bar. Is there one?

This is fixed in upcoming 1.0.1

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:28 am

ThomasHelzle wrote: Arghhhh. I would have sworn that is what I did, but since it indeed works today, it seems not.
Another for me.
Sorry about that.

But still: wouldn't it make sense if I have saved a program without samples first and then choose "Save program and Samples" that it would also work?
At least that is what I would expect?.
Sometimes you may first start something with one normal oscillator and add something with samples to it later and only then realize you should also save the samples - in that case you may not double check and only find out later that the sample is not saved as expected with the "save" instead of "save as"?

What's the reasoning here?

Cheers and thanks!

Tom

When there is no "as" then it saves everything in place, with "as" it relocate program and samples.
There is no reason to always duplicate your sample content especially if you have multiple presets using the same sample content.

Hope this clarify things.

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:48 am

otristan wrote:
ThomasHelzle wrote: Arghhhh. I would have sworn that is what I did, but since it indeed works today, it seems not.
Another for me.
Sorry about that.

But still: wouldn't it make sense if I have saved a program without samples first and then choose "Save program and Samples" that it would also work?
At least that is what I would expect?.
Sometimes you may first start something with one normal oscillator and add something with samples to it later and only then realize you should also save the samples - in that case you may not double check and only find out later that the sample is not saved as expected with the "save" instead of "save as"?

What's the reasoning here?

Cheers and thanks!

Tom
When there is no "as" then it saves everything in place, with "as" it relocate program and samples.
There is no reason to always duplicate your sample content especially if you have multiple presets using the same sample content.

Hope this clarify things.

Sorry if I'm dense here, but for not relocating samples I would simply use "Save Program" or "Save Program as". In that case I would expect to only save the program and the path to the sample wherever it may be.

But if I chose "Save Program and Samples" I expect it to do just that. What is the point of this command if samples are not saved?
I find this confusing and non-obvious.

Cheers,

Tom

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:53 am

ThomasHelzle wrote: But if I chose "Save Program and Samples" I expect it to do just that. What is the point of this command if samples are not saved?
I find this confusing and non-obvious.

Cheers,

Tom

In Falcon you can alter sample content with destructive sample operation. (see right click in wave editor of Sample oscillator)
Save Program and Samples save those modification inside the sample in their existing location.

Musical Gym · Post by **Musical Gym** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:04 pm

Thanks Olivier, having fun here.

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:15 pm

otristan wrote:
ThomasHelzle wrote: But if I chose "Save Program and Samples" I expect it to do just that. What is the point of this command if samples are not saved?
I find this confusing and non-obvious.

Cheers,

Tom
In Falcon you can alter sample content with destructive sample operation. (see right click in wave editor of Sample oscillator)
Save Program and Samples save those modification inside the sample in their existing location.

Hm. Okay.
If I know it, it makes kind of sense, but if you start fresh with the software, this is not really obvious IMO.

So I will have to remember to always use "Save Program and Samples as...", even if it goes again the grain of what feels "natural" to me.

Thanks for your patience!

Tom

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