Waves to release Element 2 Synth

[UltimateOutsider]

Really hoping this version addresses that weird glitch Element has with fast-attack sounds. (It's not a matter of DCO vs VCO, and it's not a simple phase issue that you can fix with a 5ms attack.) When I contacted support about it they said it was working as designed, but it can't be by design that you have to give your patches a 30ms attack to avoid pops at note-on.

[lfm]

Really hoping this version addresses that weird glitch Element has with fast-attack sounds. (It's not a matter of DCO vs VCO, and it's not a simple phase issue that you can fix with a 5ms attack.) When I contacted support about it they said it was working as designed, but it can't be by design that you have to give your patches a 30ms attack to avoid pops at note-on.

Agree. Even running the synced DCO it created glitches on short attack times.

To make a guess, a list of reported from userbase made them create v2, instead of just a bugfix.

[fluffy_little_something]

Can one use sine for the sub now? I think v1 only had triangle.
Let's compile a checklist of all the deficits of v1 and see what they fixed

[Ingonator]

The improved oscillators quality (e.g. anti-aliasing) and teh introduction of zero delay feedback filters make this update interesting for me. Looking forward to this. I hope the upgrade price will be reasonable for v1 users like me.

[2ZrgE]

Must be the only commecial synth where really everything is on one page, without any tabbing or having to click to reveal options. That's what I really like just from the screenshot.

Don't know if it would fit on my laptop screen though...

[kelvyn]

@ingonator

I hope there is no update price for V1 early adopters!

[Ingonator]

@ingonator

I hope there is no update price for V1 early adopters!

I hope that too but i did not find any info about that yet...

[fluffy_little_something]

In terms of concept, scope, usability etc. it would almost be the perfect synth for me, but the sound quality didn't convince me. I remember sending them a list of remaining issues

[simon.a.billington]

Apparently that attack is a biproduct of how the vintage stuff actually did work.

It's a characteristic trait that gets introduced because of how the components work together and how voltage runs through the system. It's real world physics basically. But the same type of quality is also why Element's patches sound thick and rich.

I think most synths avoid this issues, because they aren't modelled with physics. They also don't sound as rich either.

I haven't actually come across it as an issue personally, but then, I used to work with a few earlier devices myself and it just gives it a familiar sound.

That all said I can see that it annoys some, so hopefully they have tackled this issue with Element 2.

[fluffy_little_something]

They have also added a bend range control, which I think was missing with v1.
Anyway, when will it be available?

[UltimateOutsider]

Apparently that attack is a biproduct of how the vintage stuff actually did work.

I have a literal roomful of vintage analog synths, and none of them need to be backed off as severely as Element does in order to make a usable quick-attack sound.

It may be intentional (the waveform glitch has a visible signature, vs typical wave phase issues which simply look like a sine wave caught in the middle of its arc), but that envelope anomaly has rendered it essentially useless for many kinds of patches, in my own experience. The only reason I keep coming back to Element is that when it DOES work it's got a good sound, and the interface is so straight-forward, I can dial in the patches I want really fast.

[simon.a.billington]

Apparently that attack is a biproduct of how the vintage stuff actually did work.

I have a literal roomful of vintage analog synths, and none of them need to be backed off as severely as Element does in order to make a usable quick-attack sound.

It may be intentional (the waveform glitch has a visible signature, vs typical wave phase issues which simply look like a sine wave caught in the middle of its arc), but that envelope anomaly has rendered it essentially useless for many kinds of patches, in my own experience. The only reason I keep coming back to Element is that when it DOES work it's got a good sound, and the interface is so straight-forward, I can dial in the patches I want really fast.

im pretty sure I have played on equipment with glitchy attacks, I was young and I thought that was just an attribute of a fast attack. I could be wrong. Difficult remembering what I had for breakfast than remembering 20 or so years ago!!

I would suggest though that the analogue developers could have easily built in something to filter that part of the attack. Clearly it's something Waves could have done as well. I just think it was an oversight.

It makes no sense to add it into a sound. It makes no sense to say to hell with it lets not fix it, when it's a conceivably easy fix. Hence, they had to have been doing it by the numbers and reproducing the quality as faithfully as possible and not realise the potential side effects.

It's the only thing that makes sense considering the amount of time and energy and investment they put into every plugin to get it "right."

[incubus]

I loved and own the original element (though I'm all reason now)

Just how it's as CPU efficient as the original, the other synth they made sounded fab but was WAY too hungry.

[MillerSam]

!! You can get now Element 1 for 37 Dollar on Audio Deluxe with the Cyber Monday Waves Code
If they make now a free upgrade, I say great deal

[fluffy_little_something]

I loved and own the original element (though I'm all reason now)

Just how it's as CPU efficient as the original, the other synth they made sounded fab but was WAY too hungry.

With 0df filters I suppose that advantage of Element will be gone