KVR Audio

comfortablynick · Post by **comfortablynick** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:59 pm

I like the way Pro-MB handles this...it allows you to "unlink" the detector of a band and move it around:

It would be a little harder with the Nova UI to add the functionality, but I'm sure you guys could do it in a very intuitive way if you choose to add the feature.

Nick

Yeager · Post by **Yeager** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:05 pm

FabienTDR wrote:The threshold bug has been fixed in our codebase already! Will ship with the next update.

the Sticky thing is correct, though. Check manual.

Ah, Alt clicking makes it Sticky..

FabienTDR · Post by **FabienTDR** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:47 pm

...it must have been a shocking moment

provoc · Post by **provoc** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:25 am

FabienTDR wrote:We'll spend some time with VST3 again next year.

About multiple outputs, I don't know. I see two fundamental issues here, first, NOVA is not based on a crossover. You can approximate the behaviour of a typical crossover/multi-band compressor with a very restrictive approach. The presets called "N Band Dyn" do just this.

The essential difference is that a crossover device introduces a fixed amount of phase distortion, even without any EQ or dyn changes. NOVA, much like most other dynamic EQs, have no static phase shift (except for the EQ curve of course), but introduce a dynamic, GR dependent phase shift.

NOVA has several bands indeed, but summing all bands externally will not recover the original!

The other issue affects crossover based designs: It is incredibly difficult to maintain a proper signal reconstruction in DIY multiband trickery. In fact, you'll quickly come to a point where you'll basically have to learn DSP from the ground up, just to understand how to compensate for phase shifts/delays happening in the individual band's processing. While all this stuff is particularly easy to visualize and imagine, multi-band structures are often card-houses.

About cross-linking of bands, we'll maybe consider it for the future update. In fact, I proposed such a feature early in development, but we decided to ignore it for better usability/accessibility.

Hi Fabien,

Thanks for taking the time to explain. I had assumed that the signal chain started with a crossover but since this is not case I now see this a more complex proposition than I thought. Also, as Compyfox points out there are other tools available such as rs-met, Fr33some, as well as Reaper’s FFT splitter and Band Splitters.

I think people make these suggestions as a compliment though, meaning that they like your tools and are looking to replace more existing ones due to the nice UI, sound quality etc.

Congrats again on your latest release!

Cheers,

provoc

FabienTDR · Post by **FabienTDR** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:19 am

Nova Standard and GE updated to 1.0.3

1.0.3 Hotfix update

# Solo band activation changed to CMD(i.e. CTRL) + SHIFT
# Solo band doesn't mute audio anymore if no band is selected
# Solo band autogain behaviour fixed
# Analyzer mode no more affected by preset changes
# Fixed delta for solo, Sum/Diff and Left/Right processing modes
# Fixed threshold curve disapearing
# Fixed bug related to preset handling and Q parameters
# Fixed gfx refresh issues in some hosts (e.g. FL Studio)

http://www.tokyodawn.net/tdr-nova/
http://www.tokyodawn.net/tdr-nova-ge/

clintmartin · Post by **clintmartin** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:26 am

Wow! Someone get Vlad a fresh cup of coffee...He's cranking out these fixes!

FabienTDR · Post by **FabienTDR** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:36 am

Quite the opposite, we don't sleep well with open bugs in the wild!

This update hopefully sorted out the last blockers.

clintmartin · Post by **clintmartin** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:48 am

You guys are awesome. It's a pleasure to support and use your products!

operandx · Post by **operandx** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:52 pm

1.0.3 not recalling parameters in Tracktion 6. Changed params not retained when interface is closed then reopened. Saving presets seems hit and miss and overwriting a user preset does not seem to work.

Thanks for your great work though.

3ee · Post by **3ee** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:25 pm

1.0.3 serious bug...

OK, load the plugin, do some bands and settings, close the window and open it again... what happens?

3ee · Post by **3ee** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:36 pm

OK, here are some parts I do not like about the plugin, the rest is admirable...

1 - CPU usage, even in Eco mode is too high for me!
2 - because some sort of automatic behavior I guess, release time on the compression is nowhere near as fast enough especially for high bands. So, I'll continue using the Waves de-esser for highs as usual at least for the moment.
3 - this one is understandable but: latency, if crucial I'll use plugins with latency but I usually tend to avoid them. Reason being that some DAWs (including FL Studio) doesn't yet do the auto delay compensation implemented flawlessly.

FabienTDR · Post by **FabienTDR** » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:19 am

3ee wrote:1.0.3 serious bug...

Sorry for the trouble.

1.0.4 Hotfix update

# Fixed a severe persistence issue (shame on us!)
# Fixed various little mouse-handling issues

TDR Nova | Tokyo Dawn Records
TDR Nova – Gentleman’s Edition | Tokyo Dawn Records

provoc · Post by **provoc** » Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:45 am

FabienTDR wrote:
3ee wrote:1.0.3 serious bug...
Sorry for the trouble.

1.0.4 Hotfix update

# Fixed a severe persistence issue (shame on us!)
# Fixed various little mouse-handling issues

TDR Nova | Tokyo Dawn Records
TDR Nova – Gentleman’s Edition | Tokyo Dawn Records

Confirmed fixed here. Thanks!

I also have a question about how the threshold and ratio work with standard edition since compression seems to be scaled (to a maximum of 12db?) and in general does not seem to compress as much as the ratio/threshold numbers would suggest.

For example, 0db band filtered pink noise input at -20 threshold and 2:1 ratio gives only about 5db of compression in Nova standard compared to the original Nova 67P and IQ4 (which is the only other dynamic EQ I have for comparison) which both show the expected 10+ db compression with the same settings (67P I approximated Q from the graph since it doesn’t have an exact Q number).

Anyway, perhaps this is just a standard edition thing which is fair enough but I did not see anything in the manual so thought it was worth asking about.

Cheers,

provoc

Lesha · Post by **Lesha** » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:32 pm

provoc wrote:For example, 0db band filtered pink noise input at -20 threshold and 2:1 ratio gives only about 5db of compression in Nova standard compared to the original Nova 67P and IQ4 (which is the only other dynamic EQ I have for comparison) which both show the expected 10+ db compression with the same settings (67P I approximated Q from the graph since it doesn’t have an exact Q number).

I've put a sine signal through all 3 plugins, with the narrowest Q possible.

IQ4gui = -14.9 dB
Nova67P = -27.8 dB
Nova = -11.9 dB

FabienTDR · Post by **FabienTDR** » Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:41 pm

yep, GR is limited to 12dB with a knee starting at 6dB approaching 12dB max in an asymptotic manner. There's also a ratio dependent aspect. ..no, we will not make this user-controllable, as it also also goes hand in hand with the 12dB display/gain limit.

It's somewhat in balance with other aspects of NOVA.

Generally, NOVA uses several forms of automation to keep the amount of controls low, while still covering a wide, musically sensible functional range (and minimizing related dead-angles). This also affects compression knee, timing and of course the auto-gain.

Tokyo Dawn Labs just released TDR Nova GE