KVR Audio

blueman · Post by **blueman** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:49 am

SHIFT + mouse wheel will scroll horizontally. It helps

jtnyc · Post by **jtnyc** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:57 am

Thanks for the tip, but I have a horizontal scroll on my mouse and yes that does help, but again, I just can't deal with having to constantly scroll around trying to edit stuff. It's such a clumsy UI. Sound wise it's not blowing me away either. There are some nice sounds there. The Dumble is really nice and the Marshalls are quite warm. I'll hold off and see if they address the UI....

wasi · Post by **wasi** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:04 am

blueman wrote:SHIFT + mouse wheel will scroll horizontally. It helps

[edit: lol, sorry. Bad morning.]

Why is it all strictly horizontal anyway? That arrangement is neither realistic (which seems to be their excuse) nor practical. They could at least have made multiple lines possible, e.g. one line for pre-effects, then amp and cab, then post effects. That way everything would fit in one window if you enlarge it. As it is there is no chance even the most basic setups don't need a lot of dragging around.

It's amazing they put so much work into something so dysfunctional.

The preset and midi management is an improvement though. That was just awful in TH2. So maybe baby steps? I'll wait too. I already have TH2 gathering dust because I got tired of fighting the UI.

Unfocused · Post by **Unfocused** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:34 am

I love the sound of TH2. The UI isn't great, but it doesn't bother me. The preset management is just confusing--hate it. Now, TH3...

I'm using the full-featured demo (which I appreciate). It's prettier (which I don't care about), but the UI is still a little fiddly--sometimes when trying to grab a control I end up moving the whole component. Also, try tapping a tempo in a tempo-based effect. The tap button obscures the time value completely.

Comparing to TH2, everything is LOUDER. That makes for a good demo psychologically, but is inconsequential in actual use. I think it might sound a little "fuller" in A-B-ing the same patches between 2 and 3, but again, could just be the psychology of loud.

I like the new amp models. My physical amp of choice is a Roland JC. Glad to see a model of it. The Engl and Orange models are excellent to my ears--don't know how accurate they are, having never played one of those live, but they are really useful and flexible for my sound.

The new FX are meh, and I hate that there are no presets per effect anymore. The whammy is kind of neat though.

Between the still great sounding TH2 and Guitar Rig 5 that I just got as part of Komplete 10 this summer, I'm not sure I can justify the upgrade price. In essence, I would be paying for about 6 amps, and a crippled UI. I'm on the fence on this one. I really like the THx series, so I hope they iron out the idiocy and/or attract a lot of new customers--I want it to continue.

-u

Stoertebeker · Post by **Stoertebeker** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:33 pm

I couldn't agree more. I like it soundwise, but it looks like it has been rushed to the market with too little enduser testing. The UI needs to be addressed ASAP, with the next 3.1 update. I'm not buying until that has been fixed. Doing away with the component presets also does nothing but make things less efficient. The presets also need to be normalized wrt overall volume.

kj.metissage · Post by **kj.metissage** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:33 pm

Great review !

jtnyc · Post by **jtnyc** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:25 am

So after my initial negative reaction to the UI, I've come back and started the 15 day demo. I'm very impressed with most of the amps. I own GR5, Amplitude 3 andWaves GTR. I've been ABCing them all for the last couple of days (well not GTR as I know I don't like that). TH3 is winning over 90% of the time. It just sounds better to my ears. Warmer and more responsive. Some great Clean tones (better than anything I can come up with with GR5 or A3) I find with Amplitube a lot of high end shrill on the overdriven sounds. With TH3 I'm not hearing that. It's all a bit darker and sweeter (aside from the Engls haha, they do sound good). The Dumble overdrive is beautiful. Some of the Randall Lynch box stuff is really cool as well. As well as the Bunetti... I'm pretty psyched.

A4 just came out and I'm over IK. That UI is a labyrinth of nonsense and from demoing A4cs, they haven't improved any of it. The whole system of jam points and gear credits, seeing things you don't own in your preset lists, components scattered all of over the place.... AHHHHH... I can't stand it. But more importantly, TH3 sounds way better to me and Th3's preset management is very flexible and makes a lot of sense to me.

I'm trying to get along with the UI in TH3. After re-sizing it the full length of my screen, it's a bit better. Much of the time I just have and amp, cab and maybe 1 stomp in front of the amp. In those cases I keep the zoom at 100% and it feels fine. For larger setups I go down to 25% and deal with the zoom/scroll crap to edit. i really hope they update this issue soon. Like I said earlier, it would be great if from any zoom level just double click on a component and presto, it's fully zoomed and centered, double click again and it zooms out. That would be so good! Someone else mentioned having 3 rows. One for stomps, one for amp/cab and one for post fx. This would be a great option as well. It seem a lot of folks are not pleased with this aspect of the UI. I wrote to them last night and voiced my opinion saying that while I love the sounds and was seriously considering purchasing it, the UI issue gave me pause. If you don't like it, write to their support and tell them.

Hopefully they will listen -

wasi · Post by **wasi** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:42 am

Same here. It sounds great and at the usual incredibly low CPU impact so when I found a deal to upgrade for a little over $60 or so I took it.

The pedal chain UI is horrible to the point of being unusable. I pray that my purchase won't be interpreted as even the slightest form of approval.

I do like the new preset management though. But the UI. Even the simplest amp, cab, reverb setups don't fit on one page and need extensive dragging around to operate.

producer7 · Post by **producer7** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:00 pm

jtnyc wrote:So after my initial negative reaction to the UI, I've come back and started the 15 day demo. I'm very impressed with most of the amps.-

Same here. It sounds great and at the usual incredibly low CPU impact so when I found a deal to upgrade for a little over $60 or so I took it.

Im with you guys. LOVING TH3. Interface isnt perfect but whatever... I demo'd for a day or two and bought it. $162 first time buyer, full version. I love being able to run this program with larger buffer sizes. 512 is QUITE manageable, and probably about where latency becomes noticeable for most.

They really give you quite a bit. A LOT more than you get with amplitube....and what i really like about it is the fx sound different.

For instance in Waves GTR - doesnt the "Tone" pedal boost the same frequencies as the EQ pedal?? IIRC..... i mean that makes no sense at all.

Not the case in TH3 though. Every EQ pedal is different. The choruses are all different. Soundwise too. The flangers. The overdrives...You really get a LOT in TH3. The vibro pedals sound killer too.

producer7 · Post by **producer7** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:38 pm

Id also like to add - in light of my enthusiastic post that TH3 could still use some work. The amp modeling isnt quite as good as some of the other programs iv tried, and it would be nice if the mics were a bit more true to the product they are modeling. (yeah i know ya cant nail every aspect) but still, im getting more low end from a 57 than i am from a 121 and that simply isnt the case in real life scenario.

To reiterate my amp statement, there are some really REALLY good sounds in TH3, but IMO IK has the edge on the Mesas, and i prefer BIAS's DR103 to TH3's.....again, they cant all be smoke on the water, but with a little more work TH3 could be groundbreaking IMO.

Unfocused · Post by **Unfocused** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:06 pm

Unfocused wrote: Between the still great sounding TH2 and Guitar Rig 5 that I just got as part of Komplete 10 this summer, I'm not sure I can justify the upgrade price. In essence, I would be paying for about 6 amps, and a crippled UI. I'm on the fence on this one. I really like the THx series, so I hope they iron out the idiocy and/or attract a lot of new customers--I want it to continue.

I bit--bought the update during the pre-Christmas Eve sale ($79). I fell in love with the Brunetti Singleman paired with my Eastern multi-mic'ed cabinet: my dream clean amp set up. So, I had to have it.

-u

terran236 · Post by **terran236** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:46 pm

I challenge anyone saying the cabs suck to try torpedo wall of sound 3, instead of the built in cabs. That thing makes any amp sim sound incredible.

producer7 · Post by **producer7** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:01 pm

terran236 wrote:I challenge anyone saying the cabs suck to try torpedo wall of sound 3, instead of the built in cabs. That thing makes any amp sim sound incredible.

Thanks jerkweed

i was trying not to buy it. There goes that!

Do they not sell the software separately?

monkeymanx · Post by **monkeymanx** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:01 pm

TH3 lets you load your own IR files so you don't need something like Wall of Sound to get good sounding cabs. That is one thing I like about it. I can build a complete and great sounding amp chain within TH3 using and IR as a cab. I like the Ownhammer stuff myself that were taken using the 6L6 power amp. Even against IK's "new" cab simulation, it just doesn't sound as good to me personally. IK's cab sim and Overlouds cab sim are... wait for it... similar soundwise in my opinion. Again to me neither sound as good as the good IRs you can get. And again, they can be loaded into your signal chain within TH3 and it makes worlds different.

producer7 · Post by **producer7** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:38 am

monkeymanx wrote: TH3 lets you load your own IR files so you don't need something like Wall of Sound to get good sounding cabs. That is one thing I like about it. I can build a complete and great sounding amp chain within TH3 using and IR as a cab. I like the Ownhammer stuff myself that were taken using the 6L6 power amp. Even against IK's "new" cab simulation, it just doesn't sound as good to me personally. IK's cab sim and Overlouds cab sim are... wait for it... similar soundwise in my opinion. Again to me neither sound as good as the good IRs you can get. And again, they can be loaded into your signal chain within TH3 and it makes worlds different.

Cool man. I appreciate it....It was actually the two notes torpedo i was looking at, and in that case there may be some ground to be gained, because the WOS plugins are incorporated with a $1500 piece of hardware, but it sounds like ownhammer is preferred if staying in the box entirely. I'll check them out.

When i learned that you could get the WOS plugins on their own, i thought it may be worth a try, but i'll just take your word for it.

Overloud TH3 (Released)