Cubase 8.5 here any day now...and the day has come

[Aiynzahev]

OMG did they take out the option for user samples from the docked media bay?

If that is so...then they threw this.

Hahaha, fortunately it is still there, you just have to go to show all items first. phew!

[zvenx]

OMG did they take out the option for user samples from the docked media bay?

Sami, mine are still there. Do a rescan.....takes a bit longer to load the first time I think.
And they don't have the pretty icons, like the SB's stuff

Click the show all items.
rsp

[Aiynzahev]

OMG did they take out the option for user samples from the docked media bay?

Sami, mine are still there. Do a rescan.....takes a bit longer to load the first time I think.
And they don't have the pretty icons, like the SB's stuff

Click the show all items.
rsp

Yeah I could even see the drop down menu (the saved locations) because I didn't realize I had to go into show all items. Once your in that section it's all the same was version 8.0

Let me just add guys, I'm super happy with this update. I went from 7.5 to 8.5 and yeah it's not an explosive update but it is a really nice refinement.

[fese]

Wow, they actually fixed those horribly stupid hover/overlay buttons on the inserts? That was one big reason i never switched to C7/8, even after using those four weeks on trial, it was a pain to handle and led to several wrong clicks - i really can't image what those GUI designers at Steinberg, if they have any, must have drunk...

Did they fix that "bug" where if a send name wouldn't fit into the slot width, they'd "abbreviate" it with three dots "...", so that similar Effext Track Names would become pretty indistinguishable (like "Delay right" and "Delay left" would become "Dela...ht" and "Dela...ft", such fun deciphering that!)

Did they reintroduce the separate "Edit VST"-Button in the mixer (like in C6 and before)? That one-second long click on the "E" button was hellishly annoying...

Has the optical separation between channels in the mixer become better? That was also such a unbelievable design oversight...

Frankly, I am with Compy and the other people criticizing SB here - especially the "new" mixer is a design disaster, full of bugs, bad design choices and in parts really amateurishly executed (i have counted no less than six different scrollbar designs in C8! That is ridiculous.)
Granted, there were some good ideas and nice workflow enhancements (the incremental plugin search, loved that), but not enough to make me update from C6.

C7 had so much potential(!!!), only to f*ck it up big time. Actually, C7 should have been a recoded (IMO!) like SX was (which was disappointing and nearly unusable for hardware users until late SX2.2 and SX3 btw). Though I still think we will(!) see a recode of the whole thing around Cubase 10 - it is inevitable (the devs called this "Spaghetti Code" issues back in the day, and some representatives already said around the release of C8 in public "in order to fix everything, we need to recode Cubase" - look on GearSlutz, it's now hidden in the archives). But instead of getting a new and from-scratch coded host, we get even more "tacked on" features, a buggy host which get's some improvements, but even more disimprovements with every consecutive upgrade. Only to be "somewhat patched out" in every other further paid upgrade.

I have to disagree. A complete recode from scratch would most likely solve nothing but introduce new bugs and old bugs that had actually been solved in the past already . Also It would take years before you have a product you can sell again and in the meantime you gotta pay your developers. A complete rewrite of a complex software product is almost never a good idea.
And there are things that work well in Cubase - the audio engine is good (except that darn insert limit), the MIDI capabilities still excellent (though not always user friendly), the audio/sample editor usable (something that e.g. S1 lacks completely) and so on. Apart from some issues they just mostly needed a GUI overhaul, and i am with you on that, they f***ed that up as they obviously didn't want to pay a good UI/UX specialist and a meticulous QA.


I really liked Cubase until 6, despite it's flaws, I tested Sonar,Reaper,FL Studio,S1 and neither of those were so drastically better (some of them were even quite lacking) that I would like to spent weeks learning a complete new DAW. If there is a demo of C8.5, I'll try that, else I stay on C6 or give Samplitude a try (haven't tested that yet)

[Compyfox]

[engages Laurence Fishburne voice]
"What if I told you, that re-coding parallel to releasing regular software versions/updates/upgrades is possible?!"
[/voice]

Or is the "Sudden Clarity Clarence" meme more fitting?

Either way... *cough* Nuendo *cough*
And actually, SX was coded in parallel to VST. Same with Wavelab 7 compared to Wavelab 6 (and that was one developer only!).

You can use (hopefully properly documented) code blocks that function well and then work on everything else from scratch, while removing some limitations in the process (yes - 6+2 inserts limit). At least this is what I learned in old school days (computer science). At this stage, it looks like the "new features" are tacked on in blocks anyway - so... yeah.

Else, I agree with you. Until the "recode" runs stable enough, we have SX1/SX2 all over, and to a certain extend C7 (Mix Console!). Could take them less time, depending on the coding team. But it's still at least ONE generation that might cause a lot of headaches. Still it's inevitable at some point. And I also still think that we will reach this point fairly soon.



But then again, it could all be nothing but smoke and mirrors...

[rustman]

Famed from day one for its MIDI editing toolset, Cubase now offers even more tools and options when manipulating MIDI data, with added tools for both the Key and Drum Editors.

Ok... but would be more useful if the "New Features" section actually told us what these new features actually were.

Anyone with 8.5 able to elaborate on what these mysterious new buttons and features are? (a timestretch midi selection within the PRV would be good, rather than doing it in the clip/arranger view)

What Fandango said...

[incubus]

One of the new buttons is the "instant" button.

Add sidechain, autotune, oh oh ohs, and a token rap part. You still have to supply the beat though (consider it a simple "color by numbers"

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[trimph1]

Sonar crashed on its own FX on Windows yet!!!

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[ShawnG]

So... On OSX, I understand it only supports yosemite and El Cap, but will it work at all with Mav? i don't really need substandard official support anyway, but I would like it not to be completely broken in Mav, since I didn't download Yosemite, and The audio world is apparently not ready for El Cap yet.

[Jolaff]

So... On OSX, I understand it only supports yosemite and El Cap, but will it work at all with Mav? i don't really need substandard official support anyway, but I would like it not to be completely broken in Mav, since I didn't download Yosemite, and The audio world is apparently not ready for El Cap yet.

I have the same problem ...I'm on Maverick ....and my set up just work fine ....I don't want to re-install everything! (hackintosh) ...I think it's a bit exaggerated when a mmm 2 years old? system is too old to be supported...

[rustman]

Looks like 8.5 doesn't remember your plugin manager settings. I spent a long time tweaking the folder structure last night and it's gone today. Still crashes my system when scanning plugins too. I don't use any 32 bit plugins anymore (no wrappers) just to try and reduce this hassle.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

They have already discontinued 10.9 support.

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