All new guis are sucking valuable resources

[RedChameau]

You should have said this from the very beginning, to save us the time and effort

Why the second person plural man ?

Don't indulge in your lone wolf wishful thinking, you're completely alone on this one, and nobody will support you in your excessive rant.

[moscom_electronics]

Some examples of flat vector graphics that do seLL :

I don't have those sales numbers, but I need to feed 12 people and their families. Every month, all year, every year.

A bit off topic, don't you think? So you take absolutely NO criticism, views different from yours (as also shown in the current tape thread), recommendations that are not in your line of thinking, etc. If someone persists, you become aggressive (4damind tape thing), leave thread or... point out that you have throats to feed.

You should have said this from the very beginning, to save us the time and effort of typing about your products, because you're obviously not going to listen, because you obviously know best.

This quote, just make it your sig. This will keep the buggers off.

Weird argument, no? Urs has been posting in this thread more than once, explaining his point of view, and he just replied to this message saying that the "examples of vst with blala that sell" saying that he did not have the sales number, and was more worried about caring that his products sell. Sounds normal to me. Urs even gave a possible method to report information about GUI opening times that would be useful to them to improve GUI performances. Sounds like he cares, no? Besides, as usual in our consumer world, if you are not happy with a manufacturer, do not use this product. End of trolling, please...

[exmatproton]

Some examples of flat vector graphics that do seLL :

I don't have those sales numbers, but I need to feed 12 people and their families. Every month, all year, every year.

A bit off topic, don't you think? So you take absolutely NO criticism, views different from yours (as also shown in the current tape thread), recommendations that are not in your line of thinking, etc. If someone persists, you become aggressive (4damind tape thing), leave thread or... point out that you have throats to feed.

You should have said this from the very beginning, to save us the time and effort of typing about your products, because you're obviously not going to listen, because you obviously know best.

This quote, just make it your sig. This will keep the buggers off.

Weird argument, no? Urs has been posting in this thread more than once, explaining his point of view, and he just replied to this message saying that the "examples of vst with blala that sell" saying that he did not have the sales number, and was more worried about caring that his products sell. Sounds normal to me. Urs even gave a possible method to report information about GUI opening times that would be useful to them to improve GUI performances. Sounds like he cares, no? Besides, as usual in our consumer world, if you are not happy with a manufacturer, do not use this product. End of trolling, please...

+1!

[Burillo]

You should have said this from the very beginning, to save us the time and effort

Why the second person plural man ?

Don't indulge in your lone wolf wishful thinking, you're completely alone on this one, and nobody will support you in your excessive rant.

well, how do you know he's alone on this one? (not that i agree with scintillator)

come on, people. for the price of an u-he synth you can buy a decent CPU/GPU/RAM. got the money to buy u-he - got the money for upgrade. stop the whining already. (and for those using laptops, well, you knew what you're getting into so brought it on yourself)

And also again... as long as we render on the CPU bitmaps will be faster than vector graphics. We need to go GPU to do vector based drawing efficiently, but as I said, this can take a whole year for a single developer to get right.

By the time it's done, chances are everyone has a machine where things run smooth like hot butter anyway.

this.

[RedChameau]

well, how do you know he's alone on this one?

Because Infuriated lunatics usually are

[Grizzellda]

Our gamma presets are rendered into the bitmaps. While we *could* do all sorts of compositing (similar to Photoshop transfer modes), we don't.

So...what's a gamma preset?

[2ZrgE]

Some examples of flat vector graphics that do seLL :

I don't have those sales numbers, but I need to feed 12 people and their families. Every month, all year, every year.

A bit off topic, don't you think? So you take absolutely NO criticism, views different from yours (as also shown in the current tape thread), recommendations that are not in your line of thinking, etc. If someone persists, you become aggressive (4damind tape thing), leave thread or... point out that you have throats to feed.

You should have said this from the very beginning, to save us the time and effort of typing about your products, because you're obviously not going to listen, because you obviously know best.

This quote, just make it your sig. This will keep the buggers off.

Just show some figures which show that flat vector grafics do sell (good enough) to let a 12 man company survive.

You are assuming only because the fanboy base on KVR praises Valhalla products to heaven and more this (one man?) company sells reverbs like iPhones?

[EvilDragon]

Our gamma presets are rendered into the bitmaps. While we *could* do all sorts of compositing (similar to Photoshop transfer modes), we don't.

So...what's a gamma preset?

Bright/brighter/dark/darker/normal.

[Urs]

Some examples of flat vector graphics that do seLL :

I don't have those sales numbers, but I need to feed 12 people and their families. Every month, all year, every year.

A bit off topic, don't you think? So you take absolutely NO criticism, views different from yours (as also shown in the current tape thread), recommendations that are not in your line of thinking, etc. If someone persists, you become aggressive (4damind tape thing), leave thread or... point out that you have throats to feed.

You should have said this from the very beginning, to save us the time and effort of typing about your products, because you're obviously not going to listen, because you obviously know best.

This quote, just make it your sig. This will keep the buggers off.

See, I criticise posts (not people) when they consist of non-arguments. Seems like I spend more time on wikipedia reading about fallacies than writing posts lately.

As in, arguments that resolve to "Satin is a worse emulation because it sounds too realistic". Or, as you mention 4damind, all I criticised in the other thread was his use of "many users" to make an obviously unjustified point ("many users" is still a much smaller number than "most users", hence the argument doesn't hold). Those are all fallacies that draw the wrong picture, even if the people who post them don't mean any harm.

In this thread I criticise "vector GUIs are a remedy for the problem" when they are not - after I wrote several times that our vector code is slower than our bitmap code. I also don't think that "Valhalla does vector GUIs, so vector GUIs are successful" is any form of a valid argument. I don't think anyone here can seriously claim to know that any of our synths would sell as well if it had such a reduced UI. Making such a claim is simply a fallacy beyond my comprehension.

Now, as for not being able to take criticism... I posted a solution for the problem in this thread (we could try smaller bitmaps and we might offer vector skins) and I explained why we do things this or that way. What more do you expect?

[rod_zero]

I would personally like to see a vector GUI from u-he jsut to see how it will come out.

I like the current GUI style of u.he products, some skeumorphism but not all the way out as Steven Slate or UAD; and I feel the graphics have some kind of personality themselves, specially the background textures, the sober colors and the knobs.

By the way I am using Ableton Live and this problem is non existant for me.

[Burillo]

I would personally like to see a vector GUI from u-he jsut to see how it will come out.

...except Urs just said it'll take a man-year to introduce a vector GUI, and you're suggesting doing that "to see how it will come out".

[MikeCallon]

Hey Urs,

The only criticism you'll get from me is that you spend too much time on here answering to folk who have no respect for the amazing work you and your team do

I think this question has now been answered, so can we please let Urs get back to doing what he does best ? (which is hopefully working on Zebra3 )

[Urs]

I would personally like to see a vector GUI from u-he jsut to see how it will come out.

...except Urs just said it'll take a man-year to introduce a vector GUI, and you're suggesting doing that "to see how it will come out".

Hehehe, the design itself wouldn't take that long - I'm just afraid that making it more CPU efficient than the bitmaps we have now could take many months, maybe a year.

The point of this thread was that our GUI which have become bigger and more detailed over the years were using more CPU. Vector GUIs were seen as a remedy, but as far as I can tell, they won't be unless we port all our drawing to an OpenGL-style GPU processing (which might have loads of undesired side effects)

[Urs]

which is hopefully working on Zebra3

Yep, some of us are working on Zebra stuff, for both Z2 and Z3.

[MikeCallon]

which is hopefully working on Zebra3

Yep, some of us are working on Zebra stuff, for both Z2 and Z3.