Gone back to Cubase but here's what will bring me right back

[Bobby L'Avenir]

(sent this to Bitwig and thought i'd share for you peps to add or even disagree with any of my points )

Hi guys,

firstly i want to say that I'm really looking forward to when Bitwig fulfils its great potential so please don't take anything here as a negative and keep up the great pace bug fixing.

Unfortunately i couldn't keep up my pace of output with Bitwig, it was really slowing me down so i went back to Cubase 6.5 and got back to my usual pace of finishing tracks. I'm now on Cubase 8.5 after using 6.5 to get rid of all the plugins that make it unstable, so good so far but i do miss tons of things from Bitwig but at the same time when i boot Bitwig i get frustrated very quickly with the lack of things that would help me drop Cubase forever and never look back even to record a vocal or live instrument.

The last time i sent you an extensive list you said it was just too late to add any suggestions into 1.2, so I've been making a list of the things that really count over the last 2 weeks that have helped me get my usual pace of finishing tracks back on point. I really hope to see all of these features in the very near future inside Bitwig Studio, I don't really have a valid reason to drop Cubase completely until that day, and i hope that day comes? For now though I'm back on Cubase until things with Bitwig improve




MAJOR fixes and Feature Requests needed ASAP

1. First and foremost, ALL known bugs fixed before any of the new features mentioned here or elsewhere are worked on (no more cowbells just bug fixes please, haha)

2. Clip Arranger Track (something like the Cubase arranger track, it's the best one out there)

3. Lanes for recording multiple takes (Cubase has the best system for this)

4. retrospective record (the amount of riffs I’ve played by accident in bitwig that Cubase would've let me keep with its retrospective record option is crazy)

5. track delay like all the other daws on the market (at least for midi, we can move audio forward but moving midi forward is a nightmare with a loop based daw and the missing first note you'll get every time it loops back around)

6. improved track visibility so we can select more than one group of tracks to view

7. right click pop up tool bar with all the tools (needs to come up wherever you right click in the arrangement and edit windows)

8. proper rubber tool that can swipe multiple events for deletion

9. proper knife tool that can swipe multiple events and cut them all at the same time across multiple tracks

10. proper copy and DRAG function for the range tool

11. proper magnifying glass tool for zooming

12. volume handle bars for in and out fades on audio parts

13. proper cross fade options on audio parts

14. proper track enlargement in arrangement view (see studio one or cubase)

15. waveform enlargement slider in arrangement view (shouldn’t have to click into each part to see a big waveform, most major daws have this)

16. full screen midi and audio editors in ALL dual/triple screen modes on any screen the user chooses to edit on

17. more side-chain inputs per plugin device

18. punch in/out auto disable after recording stops (add option to turn this on or off as it's very frustrating how it is now)

19. (fix) pdc for hardware fx (no point owning hardware if you use Bitwig at the moment)

20. better integration of multi timbral instrument plugins (current system is way too messy)

21. vst3 support (either that or just fix the virus TI to work properly, its useless with only Bitwig and works perfectly with everything else)
Please fix this, after using the TI in Cubase for the last 2 weeks, i remember why i've kept it and sold so much other gear.

22. (fix) the bug where duplicated tracks that were connected to a multi timbral instrument get reset on the duplicated track so the midi data is no longer going to the instrument

23. (fix) midi notes should not be sent to multi timbral instruments if the midi track with the note data is muted (add an option to switch this off, drives me nuts)

24. mouse wheel support for ALL bitwig devices and mixer

25. proper channel linking (at least the basic linking from Cubase 5/6)

26. channel names and colours at the bottom of the channel strips in the mixer page for faster and less eye straining mixing

27. snap to scale notes in the midi editor (like in studio one, simply highlights the notes of the selected scale on the piano roll, great feature)

28. short-cut for the midi editor note listen/audition button

29. envelope shape tool for automation

30. proper glue tool for gluing notes and parts together

31. real-time bounce to new track with the track name copying over to the new track like the part name copies over as it now does

32. option to give all parts the track name by default

33. resizeable mixer (see Studio One or Cubase)

34. on/off button for sends to check with and without fx quickly

35. panning of sends so we can only send a mono track that's panned left to the left of the reverb for example

36. automation and midi/audio editors need to all be in one window so we can edit midi cc and the actual notes all in one window. Same with the audio. We really need to be able to edit more than 1 automation parameter or midi cc at a time too so adding lanes like Cubase would be a great feature

37. independent groove functions per part along with better options for adding grooves like in Ableton

38. crop sample feature like in Ableton

39. Key filter for audio samples so we can search by key

40. bring back the right click mini browser and quick preset menu back from 1.1 (the new browser is cool but it's slower to find an eq2 or dynamics device)

41. add a global auto-suspend option in the plugin manager so we can turn it off by default for plugins that don't work with it on (uhe and UAD for example)

42. (add) shift click on an open folder icon to close ALL folders in the project arrange view, add the same to open and close plugin devices in the strip

43. button to toggle mixer and arrange view sync and follow so the selected track in the arrangement page is selected in the mixer too, like all other daws

44. (fix) bug that sends mixers focus back to the first channel when clicking on any of the mixers show /hide icons

45. advance audio process menu with thing like stereo flip, normalize, etc.

46. short-cut for vertical zooming in the midi editor

47. preset batch converter (like you have in Cubase)

48. Please add a audio listen/scrub tool (the little speaker icon you get in Cubase and Studio One, very helpful tool)

49. full and stable support for ALL UAD plugins and versions

50. add a header to ALL open plugin gui so you can add a bypass button. Not all plugins have their own bypass so it becomes a chore on multiple screens to have to flip back and forth between screen layouts to check before and after as you can only bypass the plug on the screen you don't have you plug gui on


MINOR fixes and Feature Requests (but would be nice to see in Bitwig at some point soon)

1. proper 32 bit audio recording in projects (this is really a major for me but i'm sure so many would not agree)
2. short-cut for audio reverse
3. bright colour (orange makes sense) for notes that are being played in the midi editor
4. fix midi drag and drop from ALL instruments (Stylus RMX still doesn't work)
5. midi clip support in the browser
6. basic control room mixer like Cubase for switch monitors (simply expand on the output monitor selector in studio I/O to let us flick between outputs along with a control room volume knob or fader so the master fader stays at zero at all times) this would need to allow us to add plugins to each monitor output otherwise it's pointless.
7. device that loads pics so we load pics of hardware settings into the chain for example


Again i really hope to see the majors fixes and features in Bitwig sometime soon, until then I'll have to keep going with Cubase. I gave bitwig a real committed run but in the end i had no choice to go back, you guys have the power and skill to fix this, I have faith you will

Cheers,

Bobby

[FortunOfficial]

Yikes, this is a damn long list dude. Wanna comment to some of them:

1. Fully agree. I think there must be 20 or so more major bug fixes and I can call this a stable system.

3. Is a nice-to-have but not fundamental imo. I simply record long enough and cut the parts I want to keep.

5. I never understood why ppl need track delay. This makes no sense to me. But if I would need delay for a track simply add a delay device and set the ms. As easy as that.

7. This would only be cluttering the interface. I simply hit 1-5 to select the tool I need. I find this damn handy.

15. Why? Simply click and watch in the edit window. That's the way it should be and is very fast. Not inconvenient at all.

29. yeah, this sounds like a great idea. I also always wanted to have automation presets to use for quick creative experimentation. Something like the lfo presets in Serum or Performer in Massive.

33. Yes a resizable mixer would be great. But for me it is not essential as I mix while arranging right in the arrange view.

40. No no no! Never ever. The new pop up browser is the fastest browser I've ever used. Ableton is a joke against this beast. The browser needs some more features as saving the last state but it is a speedy tool already.

42. Good idea! I felt the same need yesterday. I organized a current project into folders and always had to click all folders separately to close them and have a better overview. Defo would speed up my workflow

46. Why? I click the mouse wheel and swipe to the right for zooming in.

47. Please tell me what do you mean? I welcome all improvements that have to do with preset management since I'm not the sound design kind of guy but prefer arranging and playing chords with good sounding presets.

[endlessdog]

You should probably just stick with cubase mate

[polarity-dnb]

You should probably just stick with cubase mate

yea. have fun in cubase

[unis]

Now that is a list!

First of all, i'm not trying to be rude, but :

I really hope devs don't take this kinds of requests serious enough to actually follow the list and fulfill all your wishes. If they'd do that everytime people send them requests, we'd have a huge mess of a DAW.

Don't get me wrong, they should take things into consideration, but saying "do this and this or i'll switch" is like meeeh and i think you should probably stick to cubase.

Peace

[Bobby L'Avenir]

You should probably just stick with cubase mate

with thinking like this Bitwig will be the last daw ever to come onto the scene.

[Bobby L'Avenir]

Now that is a list!

First of all, i'm not trying to be rude, but :

I really hope devs don't take this kinds of requests serious enough to actually follow the list and fulfill all your wishes. If they'd do that everytime people send them requests, we'd have a huge mess of a DAW.

Don't get me wrong, they should take things into consideration, but saying "do this and this or i'll switch" is like meeeh and i think you should probably stick to cubase.

Peace

No you're not being rude at all fella, i posted here so people can maybe say no this could be done this way as it's like this in Pro Tools or FL and it works better. But on the flip side dude please read threads properly before you post. At no point am i saying do this and that or I'll switch, read it properly Feel free to quote me if you still feel the same way after reading properly.

[Bobby L'Avenir]

Yikes, this is a damn long list dude. Wanna comment to some of them:

1. Fully agree. I think there must be 20 or so more major bug fixes and I can call this a stable system.

3. Is a nice-to-have but not fundamental imo. I simply record long enough and cut the parts I want to keep.

5. I never understood why ppl need track delay. This makes no sense to me. But if I would need delay for a track simply add a delay device and set the ms. As easy as that.

7. This would only be cluttering the interface. I simply hit 1-5 to select the tool I need. I find this damn handy.

15. Why? Simply click and watch in the edit window. That's the way it should be and is very fast. Not inconvenient at all.

29. yeah, this sounds like a great idea. I also always wanted to have automation presets to use for quick creative experimentation. Something like the lfo presets in Serum or Performer in Massive.

33. Yes a resizable mixer would be great. But for me it is not essential as I mix while arranging right in the arrange view.

40. No no no! Never ever. The new pop up browser is the fastest browser I've ever used. Ableton is a joke against this beast. The browser needs some more features as saving the last state but it is a speedy tool already.

42. Good idea! I felt the same need yesterday. I organized a current project into folders and always had to click all folders separately to close them and have a better overview. Defo would speed up my workflow

46. Why? I click the mouse wheel and swipe to the right for zooming in.

47. Please tell me what do you mean? I welcome all improvements that have to do with preset management since I'm not the sound design kind of guy but prefer arranging and playing chords with good sounding presets.

3, how'd you mean? If you were recording a guitar player in bitwig you'd have to keep stopping and starting no? Same with recording vocals and any other real instruments on cycle, this is where i really dig the lanes in cubase. You cn just hit record and leave it, it will loop and create a new lane for every single pass until you stop recording. then you can comp the best takes. How would you do this in the daw you use to records real instruments?

5, needed a track delay to record my Korg Triton and Roland JP8000, if I was in Bitwig i never would've had the option and would've had to move the midi notes forward which would've made the process of looping and plying a nightmare. Really enjoying my hardware again after starting up with cubase again so track delay is a major feature needed for me, at least for midi like i originally said.

7, nah i still vote for a pop up tool bar
cubase and studio one converts to bitwig know why

15, because the need to record so high isn't needed with the low noise floor today, so i record very very low in volume and turn it up if i need to. Sometimes those low recordings are difficult to see in a busy arrangement. The waveform enlargement slider helps with this and lets me do edits on a number of tracks much easier as i can see where things start and end. Does that make sense?

33, yes this one was on the wrong list, mixer sizing isn't major but track sizing in the arranger for me is

40, lol, yes Abletons browser, and studio one for that matter is pretty poor. I meant bring back the right click browser along sid the new one, not replace it, no way replace it. just bring back the option to bring it up on a right click. Lots of people wanted it back like this too when 1.2 dropped, i still feel the same

42, i think they'll add this for sure

46, for me all my zooming is done by shortcuts, but at the moment there's no vertical zoom shortcut option at all, unless someone can correct me on that?

47, the preset converter in cubase is amazing, take any plugin or instrument that has fxp presets (like the ones bitwig now reads) and click convert, they then come up as cubase vst presets you can manage into folders of your own choosing. No more having to load up a bank at a time into a plugin and then use that plugins interface to go through the presets within the bank. everything in one page in folders you can name and change how you like. This would be great to see in bitwig where you can do the same and convert in bitwig presets. Make sense?

Thanks for taking the time to comment

[takaii]

5. I never understood why ppl need track delay. This makes no sense to me. But if I would need delay for a track simply add a delay device and set the ms. As easy as that.

Track delay is a much better workflow than adding another device in chain. Just imagen how slow to put device in device in device. You be blind before running into another idea. Track delay is awesome to make a clap shift transient so you can hit it before the kick, layer a snare on top that can be shifted right after the kick. Makes the transient of the kick more audible. Most professional producers who arrange music understand the fundamental of this. Having track delay makes it smooth and fast. Just like the track faders A and B, most people dont use it and can stay hidden or press a b to open it open. same with track delay in Ableton. Its a really powerful tool. Also works great for hardware. As you dont see a point for it let me tell you this. What you see point in is not of others concern. people who want it see it as an necessary thing. Those who are aware of the importance will all agree with me.

[Ogopogo]

Most of those requests make some sense to me, but I doubt you'll see them all sometime soon. I'm thinking a year at least for a majority of those.

[takaii]

For nr 9 you can allready cut multiple tracks. Use selection tool drag vertical (not horizontal) over tracks you want to cut. Then press delete.

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[Ogopogo]

Thanks, didn't know that.

[xbitz]

this is how multi note editing is working in piano roll, zero length selection is very nice tool in Bitwig

[unis]

Now that is a list!

First of all, i'm not trying to be rude, but :

I really hope devs don't take this kinds of requests serious enough to actually follow the list and fulfill all your wishes. If they'd do that everytime people send them requests, we'd have a huge mess of a DAW.

Don't get me wrong, they should take things into consideration, but saying "do this and this or i'll switch" is like meeeh and i think you should probably stick to cubase.

Peace

No you're not being rude at all fella, i posted here so people can maybe say no this could be done this way as it's like this in Pro Tools or FL and it works better. But on the flip side dude please read threads properly before you post. At no point am i saying do this and that or I'll switch, read it properly Feel free to quote me if you still feel the same way after reading properly.

You are right, i really didn't read your whole post properly, but you posted a very long wishlist that has to be realized in order for you to switch back to bitwig.

Never mind, my first post wasn't really constructive, just like this one isn't, i was just a bit annoyed by your list, don't know why, which is funny because a while back i also started a thread where i was saying i'll switch if they don't get some bugs fixed. So then i actually switched, but couldn't stay with neither Cubase or Ableton, so i switched back to bitwig. What a hypocrite, i know

[David Boura]

Don't worry, hyprocrisis drives this world, you're in phase with it.