Cubase 8.5 here any day now...and the day has come

[VitaminD]

Hi, why do you need different folders?
On PC, the 32 and 64 bit vsts are in different folders.
On Mac, you ensure that the application runs in 32 bit mode it runs the 32 bit versions of the plugins which can.

I am not sure what you mean backward compatibility being killed, please explain. I actually can open my Nuendo 7 files in Nuendo 6 and 6.5, even in Nuendo 5.5 (although the mixer is all screwy then)

I do this all day everyday btw (ok an exaggeration, but I do this often enough )

Please see the page before this one (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 2#p6322012) about changes coming to Cubase 9 and subsequent versions thereafter.

I did... what am I missing?
I was saying because of those changes coming, one can keep older versions around to run 32 bit if necessary, then someone asked if you need separate vst 32 and 64 bit plugin folders.
What am I missing?
thanks
rsp

Perhaps we are discussing two different things then. I asked if it was possible to install two different versions of Cubase and keep them separated (one for legacy projects and one for newer projects). It is my weak understanding (largely based on assumption) that Cubase uses the user profile in Windows and, if true and generic, would mean this would not be possible.

[zvenx]

Hi, I guess I am not sure what you mean by separated.
On My PC I have
Nuendo 4 32,
Nuendo 5.5 32 (I may also have 64 dont' remember)
Nuendo 6 and 6.5 (both 32 and 64)
and Nuendo 7 64 bit.
All existing at the same time. All using their own preferences etc but sharing the vst and vst3 32bit and 64bit respectively.

Maybe I am still not understanding you.
sorry
rsp

[Josmoker]

I can confirm this for Cubase. I have
- Cubase 5 32bit
- Cubase 5 64bit
- Cubase 7 64bit
- Cubase 8 64bit
all installed on my PC.

[Compyfox]

Oh! There is no demo AGAIN?!

How long did it take last time to demo .0? 3-4 months or longer?
Steinberg really needs to step up on that game. Other companies do this at day 1. Even the smallest most unknown independent 3rd party programmer.

That alone is worth a facepalm moment for one of the big 4's.

Your posts alone make for the best facepalm moments in Steinberg threads.

Please elaborate.
"Why is there no demo, again?" and "how long did it take them last time?" are legit questions.


OOOOOH! I get it, you don't actually care that there is none, since you buy everything blind and you're happy that you've been forked over (or just don't care still). Oh, and you're not a Cubase user either.

Well, whatever works for you - all the more power to you.

Seriously, don't you get tired of this sh**?

Don't you get tired of jumping every thread I ever post in (oh wait, you didn't in the Mix Challenge threads - at least not yet - no leverage I think... )? Either it's masochism on your end, or heck... I don't know.

I'd call it borderline stalking from somebody that I don't even know and give a flying F about. At least I don't hide behind an alias and stay to my opinion (no popularity points for me, so what!).

I mean, Steinberg is doing well, have raised their product and upgrade prices, and still little Compyfox is crying his butt hurt heart out about how Steinberg more and more goes down the swanny. This is really internet amusement on its highest level, gotta admit that. And no, you don't have anything useful to add to this thread, just your never ending vendetta, and then you claim that you don't post much anymore on KVR, because everyone picks on you. Yeeeeah riiiiight.

So posting a link about future changes for Steinberg is "nothing useful" (see post prior to that). All right.
Asking why there is no demo yet again, is also "nothing useful" and "an endless vendetta", cool as well.
Comment an opinion why I think that certain new features are nothing special and should have been in earlier updates, far from being "useful" and... what's that v-word again?. Yet others do the same, and nobody bats an eye.


Maybe you should get your head checked by a jumbo jet or something, troll!


Again - don't like what I write and you see a need to report it or whatever... red exclamation mark, top right corner of my post. Second time In a row that I say that to you.

Didn't you want to get me banned anyway? Best chance to do so via this route. See how far you can get with that.

ta-ta!

I did... what am I missing?
I was saying because of those changes coming, one can keep older versions around to run 32 bit if necessary, then someone asked if you need separate vst 32 and 64 bit plugin folders.
What am I missing?
thanks
rsp

Perhaps we are discussing two different things then. I asked if it was possible to install two different versions of Cubase and keep them separated (one for legacy projects and one for newer projects). It is my weak understanding (largely based on assumption) that Cubase uses the user profile in Windows and, if true and generic, would mean this would not be possible.

Let's clear this up, shall we?

You can(!) install Cubase/Nuendo/Wavelab side by side. Meaning: 32bit version and 64bit version.
On WIndows, the 32bit versions land in "Program Files (x86)", the 64bit versions in "Program Files". The versions don't interfere with each other, just eat up HDD space (I know this, it's the most annoying part of being a beta tester for 3rd party devs).

The versions DO NOT share the same preferences folder however. So each bit topography version needs to be setup separately. If you also use several user accounts, that's twice the work.

The VST folders are either (example: x64):
c:\Program Files\VSTPlugins
c:\Program Files\Steinberg\VSTPlugins

The hosts (Nuendo/Cubase/Wavelab) check these folders for plugins. If not, you can add them manually. the "Steinberg\VSTPlugins" one is a remnant of pre C4 days (I never had any issues on that end - and I still use this folder, since I'm used to it for over 20 years at this point).

The x64 host can also access the 32bit folder, in this case Cubase/Nuendo use the built in (and IMO really buggy) bit bridge. Wavelab ignores the modules (needs an actual third party bit brige). If you use a bit bridge like jBridge, then I do recommend to keep the 32bit versions in c:\Program Files (x86\*

The x64 versions and the jBridge links should be in the 64bit program files folders. I don't have Win10 installed yet, I don't know if the folder topography for the "Program Files" are still the same.


What VitaminD is aiming at, is the new route that Steinberg is going with future updates.

To my understanding of the linked news post (and what I commented on as well), is that Steinberg will not only drop "32bit" in terms of bridging, but also the actual 32bit host versions. So future releases (starting with C9) will be x64 only!

Add to that, the fact that Windows 10 was recently pulled out of Beta (so it's a regular release), and VISTA support finally dropped around Cubase 8 (or was it C7.5 already? Was never on Vista, never bothered)... the next news announcement (if ever - see the silent drop of XP) could be a drop of Windows 7's compatibility in favor for Win 8.1 and Win10 (Win Vista was from 2007, Win7 from 2009 - so a bit more than 6 years, Win8 is from 2012).


So if you want to stay compatible, I think your best options are the two following:
a) "freeze" your rig, have an x86 and x64 version installed, don't ever upgrade! (if you do, then on a new rig with a new plugin set)
b) backup all your projects as WAV files, properly document WHAT you did in each project (plugin settings, etc), move on to x64 - pray that third party bit bridges still work.

YMMV


Hope that answers your question now. If not, throw me a PM and I try to walk you through.

[zvenx]

............

To my understanding of the linked news post (and what I commented on as well), is that Steinberg will not only drop "32bit" in terms of bridging, but also the actual 32bit host versions. So future releases (starting with C9) will be x64 only!
.........

Hi, I think it is the latter they are doing not the former. That is they will drop 32 bit hosts but not necessarily 32 bit bridging.
rsp

[chk071]

Your posts alone make for the best facepalm moments in Steinberg threads.

Please elaborate.
"Why is there no demo, again?" and "how long did it take them last time?" are legit questions.

Thing is, you didn't ask them. Instead, you ranted about Steinberg not releasing a demo Version at the same time the .5 update was released.

Oh! There is no demo AGAIN?!

How long did it take last time to demo .0? 3-4 months or longer?
Steinberg really needs to step up on that game. Other companies do this at day 1. Even the smallest most unknown independent 3rd party programmer.

That alone is worth a facepalm moment for one of the big 4's.

Every single word of you in one of these threads is a rant, because you have to settle a score with Steinberg for the rest of your life (for... let's say... an equally ridiculous reason as your vendetta here ). And then you wonder why people get pissy about your never ending tirades against the company. It's really quite hilarious.

Edit: Just read this:

Didn't you want to get me banned anyway? Best chance to do so via this route. See how far you can get with that.

ta-ta!

Talking of borderline, that's borderline paranoid.

[trimph1]

Like I keep saying. NO DEMO NO BUY-O!!!!!!

[trimph1]

Sonar pulled this stupid thing a few times. Taking up to 6 months at one point.

[VitaminD]

No, that doesn't answer my question quite yet.

Can I install two 64 bit versions of Cubase (for instance Cubase 7.5 x64 and Cubase 8.5 x64) on Windows 10 and keep them in separate locations on the hard drive without them interfering with one another?

[kelldammit]

I've said this before but it may be worth repeating because I still think it's true.
If Cubendo - ever - fully moves into a more modern unified UI, it's going to be a monster.

this. it does seem to be gradually creeping in here and there, though. i remember after logic8, there was no way i could tolerate 7's windows anymore. after years of unified guis since, it's pretty awkward to go back...
as you also noted, i do like the "refinement" vs "pile more on" approach.

not sure if this is system-specific, but with padshop and retrologue, is anyone else having to draw pan (cc10) into every midi clip? unless i do so, they play out of the left channel only (no cc10 = 0, so hard left?).

[VitaminD]

I can confirm this for Cubase. I have
- Cubase 5 32bit
- Cubase 5 64bit
- Cubase 7 64bit
- Cubase 8 64bit
all installed on my PC.

I missed this post under the avalanche of other posts.

What happens when you double click on a CPR? Does it know which version of Cubase to load? Have you seen any anomalies between your C7 and C8 installations?

[Compyfox]

Hi, I think it is the latter they are doing not the former. That is they will drop 32 bit hosts but not necessarily 32 bit bridging.
rsp

We will definitely have to wait and see on that end, zvenx.

At this stage, anything can happen. Apple did it as well, AVID with the introduction of AAX (and also initially locked out third party bit bridges)... who knows how Steinberg will respond.

Thing is, you didn't ask them. Instead, you ranted about Steinberg not releasing a demo Version at the same time the .5 update was released.

Oh, so now I should ask them "first" (maybe also for permission) before asking a harmless question on KVR?
LOGIC! (not the host!)

Do you know how they usually respond to that question?
1) email: no response (incl weeks of delay due to overloaded support)
2) company forum: no response, in certain cases severe moderation


In all seriousness, chk071 - something is severely wrong with your logic sometimes.

C6's demo was available almost instantly (I think only 1 month delay)
C7.0's demo took 4 months! C7.5's demo was released 1,5months post release.
C8's demo - well I didn't pay attention. Sure took them 4-5 months until LE versions were available however

In direct contrast: Presonus released Studio One v3, and also offered a demo at the release day. Logic 10? IIRC, demo at it's release date. AVID... does AVID even offer demos these days? Meh, last time i used PT was PT8, and there wasn't any (since it was hardware locked).



Somehow this is absolutely fine for you. Again, all the more power to you. To interested parties (myself included), this is a big face palm moment.

To be honest - I had the chance to take a dive at C8 at a clients rig nearly 2 weeks post it's release. I was actually paid for consulting and helping setting things up. Maybe this will happen in the next 2-3 weeks again at the same clients place. I don't know. If it does, hooray - another easy paid job. If not, fine as well.

But in all seriousness - in this fast paced world, where you're forced to shell out money ideally instantly (deals, deals, deals and more deals - nobody buys things at regular price at this economy anymore), I'd like to at least take a closer look before buying the cat in the hat. I did so during the Black Friday/Cyber Monday weekend. And you know what - I didn't invest more than 9 bucks.

The time I started in this industry, there were also still "test stations" where you could take the software for a spin, sometimes even with a guide. This is a rare occurrence these days due to various reasons (one being: "I'm not trained for this", another one being "Steinberg did not issue us test keys"). But at least there were demo discs available - well, until around 2010 at least (where the internet distribution really kicked off).


So one simple thing, can put a grinding halt to a well oiled machinery.

And the biggest issue I see here, and I have been criticizing that towards EVERY COMPANY where this happened (not just Steinberg) - no demo means: blind purchases. If these "blind purchases" are also not refunded without questions asked, this is a waste of both time and money, which in turn results in negative press. Even worse if you can't resell, or you loose out a lot of money, etc.

This could all be prevented.


But I get it - being short sighted and not thinking about this is also a form of defense.
Valid even! Again, all the more power to you. I'm just not that type of guy anymore.

So maybe think about things once in a while before shredding user comments.

Every single word of you in one of these threads is a rant, because you have to settle a score with Steinberg for the rest of your life (for... let's say... an equally ridiculous reason as your vendetta here ). And then you wonder why people get pissy about your never ending tirades against the company. It's really quite hilarious.

If I have such a "score to settle" with Steinberg, or rather "a vendetta going on", then I wouldn't even continue using Steinberg software. Neither would I even try to reach out to them via support (which is really slow as of late), or talk to them at music fairs (Musikmesse was just media blurb, to be honest). I've had different experience with other companies where I was clearly saying "nope - not anymore" - and here I did not shy away to share my experience.

Yet here I am, waiting for WL9 and sitting things out until C9 (remember the old saying "the odd Steinberg versions are the best ones"? Currently i feel like SX 1 and 2 all over, so C9 must be as great as SX3 again - at least I hope). And while I wait, I use the hosts I have on my HDD. Which are, funny enough, Cubase 7.5.x and Wavelab 8.0.x

I still create outstanding mixes and finalized material for distribution with these two hosts. And I also still try to help users with their issues - which is rarely seen as useful from the likes of you, chk071. But it's okay, I haven't seen anything useful from you so far either. (yes, that was clear sarcasm!)


EDIT: Oooooouuuuuuh, quote pyramids! Tasty!

Edit: Just read this:

Didn't you want to get me banned anyway? Best chance to do so via this route. See how far you can get with that.

ta-ta!

Talking of borderline, that's borderline paranoid.

Page 8:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 2#p6316012

I quote:

Tbh, i don't know why you haven't been banned yet for the stuff you're producing on these forums since years. But you obviously know well how far you can go without being banned, so kudos to you, job well done. But then, i don't think your brainfarts have to remain uncommented, so just consider this post a feedback to your nonsense

Can be taken as being "paranoid", but also taken as a treat (plus a bonus insult). What I do know for sure, is that this is definitely a personal thing at this point. YMMV and... red exclamation mark top right. Just a reminder (hint hint!).



At this stage, you're stalking, trolling (both seem to be a feast for you) and derailing on purpose. While I do(!) catch myself being more and more sarcastic (in Steinberg threads at least) than being bitter. And I can at least say, that I found a personal balance between issues and "sitting things out".

Again - if you don't like my comments - report them. Argue in this form why they are disturbing the thread peace. Let the moderators and admins of KVR handle that. Don't like my face at all, use the "friends/foe" function.

Have a personal issue (which I clearly think you have at this stage) - I offered you to clear this several times as well. But it seems like, publicity does give you more stimulation.

Like I keep saying. NO DEMO NO BUY-O!!!!!!

Agreed.

Sonar pulled this stupid thing a few times. Taking up to 6 months at one point.

Even worse, don't you think?

I've said this before but it may be worth repeating because I still think it's true.
If Cubendo - ever - fully moves into a more modern unified UI, it's going to be a monster.

this. it does seem to be gradually creeping in here and there, though. i remember after logic8, there was no way i could tolerate 7's windows anymore. after years of unified guis since, it's pretty awkward to go back...
as you also noted, i do like the "refinement" vs "pile more on" approach.

I think we're on the way to that. At this stage, I think either a maintenance update might still see an "arranger UI" overhaul, or C9 latest. Most of the stuff was already addressed. Not fully, but still.

(more control over the metering settings would be nice for sure, especially the EBU R-128 type one)

No, that doesn't answer my question quite yet.

Can I install two 64 bit versions of Cubase (for instance Cubase 7.5 x64 and Cubase 8.5 x64) on Windows 10 and keep them in separate locations on the hard drive without them interfering with one another?

Yes you can!
I do have x86 versions of C7 and C7.5 installed, and I have x64 versions of C6.5 to C7.5 installed.

They do not interfere, they have their own settings folders. But they do(!) access formerly installed samples, VSTi and updates. So in theory - an elder Cubase version can use the updated samples of the Media Bay, and a newer Cubase can use old VSTi (think A1 which was last seen in SX3, which could still be used in C5 if you had both installed).

What happens when you double click on a CPR? Does it know which version of Cubase to load? Have you seen any anomalies between your C7 and C8 installations?

In my case, this is really random. Sometimes it falls back to the most recent host version (i.e. 7.5), but the x86 one. Not the x64 one. How to fix this, no clue.

Generally I start the host first, then drag and drop the project or load directly out of the Cubase version I'm currently using.


The main anomalies you might see, are that an earlier Cubase version does not recognize certain settings/setups that were created with a newer version. Since the features were not available back then. Else, loading should be mostly fine.

[Josmoker]

VitaminD:
I honestly have no idea, I didn't even understand your question at first because I had to figure out what a "cpr" is.
I'd assume that it uses whatever Windows has associated with the file type, so normally that would be the version you use most I guess? Me I never open projects that way, though, I prefer to start up Cubase first and then open the projects from there.

[VitaminD]

Thanks, guys! I appreciate each of you taking time to respond to me. Sounds like it might be A-OK.

[DodgingRain]

Where are people finding anything from Steinberg about dropping 32 bit?