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xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:05 pm

TheoM wrote: and live has so many standard features that bitwig should have had at launch. Can you even resize tracks in the arrange page yet? Adjustable clip fades in the arrange page?

it's not quite true

overlapping/sample morphing is the missing feature

TheoM wrote: "Does it have proper in place freeze yet or does it still have to render to another track?"

put the instruments to group tracks (MIDIs into it) than bounce in place, it will put the instruments(and fxs too if use post-fx chains) to sleep mode

5Lives · Post by **5Lives** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:42 pm

Fades in both Bitwig and Live are not as easy as Logic / Pro Tools.

I will say the Push 2 with Ableton is an absolutely killer workflow. True pleasure. I tried with Bitwig as well, but it was definitely not as refined or enjoyable. Maybe in the future though. As I mentioned, Bitwig is pretty cool, but still needs about 6-12 months worth of work with refinement.

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SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:23 pm

TheoM wrote:that's not the arrange but the audio editor and they aren't ez fades ready to adjust sorry. And i can see still no proper vertical resize on the arrange, you need to have automation open. Bitwig is unusable to me, live is 100000x better. We are all different.

It's because live doesn't have an audio/clip editor (the audio is edited the same way in clips) that I find Live less functional than BITWiG for anything other than live jamming/DJing - and I still have 9 suite....just can't go back after using BITWiG, too much missing in live at the moment.... maybe Live will add it in 12 months when 10 comes out....

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:25 pm

Bitwig cannot change time signatures in a composition.

olikana · Post by **olikana** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:42 pm

I think noone's mentioned Bitwig's new touch features which to me are a massive selling point over Live.

@TheoM
the first DAW to come out with that Dark gray + orange colour scheme design wasn't Live but Energy XT 2.5 over 5 years ago.

OzoneJunkie · Post by **OzoneJunkie** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:23 pm

I am seriously looking at Bitwig. I have Ableton. One thing that I do prefer in Live is the ability to 'configure' the automation for plugins' controls - by clicking the configure button on the plugin container and then moving the desired knobs. It looks like in Bitwig, one must find the desired controls in the list and then choose/add them to the automation lanes.

Is there an easier way in Bitwig, similar to Live? Am I missing something?

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:27 pm

not working with each VST but this is how it should

so the last touched knob(first in the list) and the current automation control lane is changing

OzoneJunkie · Post by **OzoneJunkie** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:33 pm

xbitz - thanks a lot, appreciate the response and instructions!

Yeah, I have noticed that it doesn't work with all VSTs - ImageLine Harmor being one of them. But at least it's all still do-able - just a few extra moments to set up.

Thanks again.

endlessdog · Post by **endlessdog** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:09 pm

There is also the little search bar there above the controls. It's there for a reason. Type filter, everything labelled as filter will now be the only controls you get in the bottom section. It also saves your previous searches in the menu that shows up if you click on the spyglass.

OzoneJunkie · Post by **OzoneJunkie** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:44 pm

Thanks endlessdog - yeah, I've seen and used the search - that is invaluable when the VST doesn't respond to the movement automation lane doesn't respond to the movement of a know within the VSTs that don't cooperate with the "last touched" functionality.

I think that's where my question arose - I noticed that the normal functionality doesn't work with all VSTs - again, ImageLine Harmor comes to mind.

Thanks again for the help. Cheers

mutantdog · Post by **mutantdog** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:56 am

Been using Live for years, when i first tried Bitwig i was really impressed, there were many significant things about it i liked. However there were a number of little things that annoyed me, things i particularly liked about Live that Bitwig hadn't carried over. I can't remember them all but the main one for me was plugin parameter adjustments not being reported to the host global undo, a feature i rely on heavily. All in all, i felt the value of these little details outweighed the appeal of Bitwigs strengths.

These last couple of Live updates have really restored some of my faith in Ableton, I may still reconsider Bitwig 2 v Live 10 when that day comes but for now I'm happy to stay with what I've got.

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:22 am

copying here too from http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 5#p6330823

Bitwig is the only DAW which can display the serial/parallel signal paths on both device and mixer level(+macros) without additionally windows and enables to drop the instruments(+fxs) directly onto the groups tracks, so can create dedicated instrument tracks which ones are group tracks in the same(groups are projects too in Bitwig so can have projects inside projects inside projects) time and contain only automate clips + MIDI only tracks in them > arrangement window will quite clean (everything is toggleable on multiple level), + Bitwig has quite cool modulation system which is totally missing from S1 and etc.

(1080p full screen, in the video I've created a secondary fx path in the Nexus layer of the Chord track as u can see it's displayed on both mixer/device bar can be macroed etc. which enables very fast working with Bitwig)

group tracks are projects too, they can be dropped other projects(can be reached from the browser) can have own fx tracks, u enter them etc. last touched VST parameter is instantly displayed in arrangement don't need middle steps to add them (automations can be looped/modulated), so yepp Bitwig is definitely the most usable one, some things like comping/step recording/groove quantization etc. are missing from it but the other parts are simply too good to not use it

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so cmon u can't compare the arrangement workflow of Biwitg with the AL's one

AL has the Session View and done but that's definitely super cool

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:28 am

mutantdog wrote:Been using Live for years, when i first tried Bitwig i was really impressed, there were many significant things about it i liked. However there were a number of little things that annoyed me, things i particularly liked about Live that Bitwig hadn't carried over. I can't remember them all but the main one for me was plugin parameter adjustments not being reported to the host global undo, a feature i rely on heavily. All in all, i felt the value of these little details outweighed the appeal of Bitwigs strengths.

These last couple of Live updates have really restored some of my faith in Ableton, I may still reconsider Bitwig 2 v Live 10 when that day comes but for now I'm happy to stay with what I've got.

I was happy with Live... but then I wanted to try a new controller like Linnstrument or Seaboard Rise and Bitwig supports that and Live doesn't at all. So I purchased Bitwig.

There is plenty of stuff I miss from Live... Time Signature automation, Live Racks, Midi Step Record, Groove tools, the Convolution Reverb, Simpler, Sampler, Operator, Vocoder, etc etc... Live is more stable for me too.

There is plenty of stuff I like better about Bitwig too. It is really the Note per channel (MPE) support that sways it for me. There is no working around that lack in Live... otherwise I think I would pick Live.

Objective Differences: Ableton Live 9.5 vs Bitwig?