KVR Audio

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:17 am

EnGee wrote:I have updated it for free from version 1

All I can say is "WOW!! World of WOW!"

Seriously the sound is from the best I have heard. It gives the option to switch between version 1 and 2 on the fly!, which I thought only the skin, but no! It switches the engines also! There is a big difference in the sound between the two (I prefer E2 of course!) Elements 2 IMO is a BIG winner. The cpu usage is fine with i5/win10/Studio one in average 20-30%, so it is great.

I already mentioned most iof taht in my post at the previous page (and some more).

Concerning CPU use it is much higher than v1 (easy to compare when switching the versions at the GUI) and on older CPUs some of the new pad presets seem to be able to max out a single Core in my old Core 2 Quad Q6600 (currently am installing a newer PC with a newer Quad Core CPU).

simon.a.billington wrote: I then clicked on Get Latest Version within out account options.

There Element was listed amongst a couple of other plugins I didn't realise I could update. I selected them all and submitted.

For having a valid Element v1 WUP i had mentioned this too at my post at the previous page.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:24 am

is there no offline installer anymore? i read that the new waves central prog makes some probs.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:29 am

simon.a.billington wrote:As someone with an expired WUP, I logged n to check to see how much i would have to 'WUP' it in order to update.

$10 USD!! That's right folks, you read correctly!!

If any other developer were to release an upgrade you'd be paying that $71 USD they are asking for now, or maybe a bit less. But that's the power of WUP, my upgrade to the next major version only cost me $10!!

I seriously better not hear any anti-Waves/anti-WUP users bitching about that!! Seriously folks.

Not true.. .for example coming Zebra3 the upgrade from Zebra2 + The Dark Zebra: Free.. ..or Sylenth v3.0 is free for existing customers.

Sure there are a few more.

Also to recapitulate: You are happy that you paid $99 (in best case for v1) and to add $10 on top now for v2 while others have both for $71? Seriously..

PS. Before i forgot regarding your strange comment i quote: If you don't like others have a different view on this why bother spreading your?

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:32 am

Caine123 wrote:is there no offline installer anymore? i read that the new waves central prog makes some probs.

I don't know about the offline installer, but I saw that option, there in Waves Central to install from offline, but I didn't try it really.

For the stability, it is great. I have just updated the one in the laptop and installed the latest things I bought from Waves. I don't have any problem (I have my licenses in a usb drive). I even changed the port where I plug the usb in my desktop PC, no problem

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:32 am

Caine123 wrote:is there no offline installer anymore? i read that the new waves central prog makes some probs.

At the "install" tab in the Waves Central you could create your own offline installer that will only include th products you own (+ the latest Waves Central installer).
At the "install" page you could then choose "Select Offline installer" at the left (which opens a dialog where you have tio choose teh folder where you create the Offline Installer ; that folder is usually called "Waves") and either select one, multiple or all products for installing. Afte rselecting the desired plugins you could click at the "install" button in the lower right corner.

There seems to be a video about using the Offline installer here:
http://www.waves.com/waves-central-tuto ... -installer

All Waves Central videos by Waves found here:
http://www.waves.com/tag/waves-central

fluffy_little_something · Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:58 am

CPU usage was no issue on v1, so I don't remember any values. Audible sound problems are my CPU meter

So, which other synth does the CPU usage of v2 compare to? If it is as or even remotely as bad as Diva I can forget about it

And since the sound differences are so big, including the envelopes I suppose, one can't really use the v1 mode as the draft mode to work with, right?

raymondwave · Post by **raymondwave** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:02 am

simon.a.billington wrote:As someone with an expired WUP, I logged n to check to see how much i would have to 'WUP' it in order to update.

$10 USD!! That's right folks, you read correctly!!

I briefly checked that my WUP for Element would be 24 USD or something like that, wonder what makes the difference.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:03 am

fluffy_little_something wrote:CPU usage was no issue on v1, so I don't remember any values. Audible sound problems are my CPU meter
So, which other synth does the CPU usage of v2 compare to? If it is as or even remotely as bad as Diva I can forget about it

And since the sound differences are so big, including the envelopes I suppose, one can't really use the v1 mode as the draft mode to work with, right?

Really depends on the patch but on my current system (Core 2 Quad Q6600) with some new pad presets in Element 2.0 one Core could be maxed out. Will check out with a newer PC soon that i am currently installing.
Depending on the patch you use it could be indeed close to Diva in terms of CPU use (maybe not like i Divine Divine mode but at least like the "Great" quality mode of Diva).

fluffy_little_something · Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:04 am

While I am not a fan of that whole WUP thingy, I think the update price is fair, given it is a real update.

fluffy_little_something · Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:07 am

Ingonator wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:CPU usage was no issue on v1, so I don't remember any values. Audible sound problems are my CPU meter
So, which other synth does the CPU usage of v2 compare to? If it is as or even remotely as bad as Diva I can forget about it

And since the sound differences are so big, including the envelopes I suppose, one can't really use the v1 mode as the draft mode to work with, right?
Really depends on the patch but on my current system (Core 2 Quad Q6600) with some new pad presets in Element 2.0 one Core could be maxed out. Will check out with a newer PC soon that i am currently installing.
Depending on the patch you use it could be indeed close to Diva in terms of CPU use (maybe not like i Divine Divine mode but at least like the "Great" quality mode of Diva).

I never considered it a pad machine, anyway

With classic pads I think even v2 doesn't get anywhere near Sylenth.
So I would use it for basses and lead sounds, especially those with sync, which Sylenth does not have.

What will your new CPU be?

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:10 am

fluffy_little_something wrote:CPU usage was no issue on v1, so I don't remember any values. Audible sound problems are my CPU meter
So, which other synth does the CPU usage of v2 compare to? If it is as or even remotely as bad as Diva I can forget about it

And since the sound differences are so big, including the envelopes I suppose, one can't really use the v1 mode as the draft mode to work with, right?

The cpu usage is almost the double of E1, so for your AMD setup, in short, forget it!

The pads are about 20-30% in E1 (chords of three notes), and in E2 the same is about (40-50%) in my i5 (quad) PC.
[Edit] Anyway, the pads are not its strength. Better than E1 but there are other synths that do better in pads [/Edit]

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:28 am

fluffy_little_something wrote: What will your new CPU be?

The new PC will be that of my dad who passed away exactly 3 months ago. it''s not very new but has an Intel i5-3350P Quad Core CPU. The performance that i found in a benchmark chart is around twice (or more) than that of my old Core 2 Quad Q6600.

fluffy_little_something wrote: I never considered it a pad machine, anyway With classic pads I think even v2 doesn't get anywhere near Sylenth.
So I would use it for basses and lead sounds, especially those with sync, which Sylenth does not have.

Not sure why "classic" pads (whatever that means) should use less CPU than "non classic" (again whatever that means..). Anyway so far i have not checked which features besides the Unsion (which could go up to 4 voices now) have the biggest impact on the CPU. The new higher quality OScs and teh zero delay feedback filter will have an impact of all patches so the overall CPU use is higher for all patches in v2.0. I also doubt it will be similar as in Sylenth1, expeczt if the latest versions of Sylenth1 have a higher CPU use than earlier versions.

Robmobius · Post by **Robmobius** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:43 am

That's the first time I've ever updated my WUP. I can't complain as it was only 10 bucks. I had wondered what Waves had planned for the future of Element if any. But I'm glad they released a second version.

My initial thoughts are very decent subtractive synth. And it sounds better than the first iteration (filter, osc, etc.) Nice to have the extra unison too.

I guess the only down side is the CPU usage has gone up. I won't mention extra features because its not trying to be anything other then a subtractive synth.

I didn't use E1 that much tbh, but I'll definitely be using E2.

fluffy_little_something · Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:44 am

Ingonator wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote: What will your new CPU be?
The new PC will be that of my dad who passed away exactly 3 months ago. it''s not very new but has an Intel i5-3350P Quad Core CPU. The performance that i found in a benchmark chart is around twice (or more) than that of my old Core 2 Quad Q6600.

fluffy_little_something wrote: I never considered it a pad machine, anyway With classic pads I think even v2 doesn't get anywhere near Sylenth.
So I would use it for basses and lead sounds, especially those with sync, which Sylenth does not have.
Not sure why "classic" pads (whatever that means) should use less CPU than "non classic" (again whatever that means..). Anyway so far i have not checked which features besides the Unsion (which could go up to 4 voices now) have the biggest impact on the CPU. The new higher quality OScs and teh zero delay feedback filter will have an impact of all patches so the overall CPU use is higher for all patches in v2.0. I also doubt it will be similar as in Sylenth1, expeczt if the latest versions of Sylenth1 have a higher CPU use than earlier versions.

Just checked the benchmark list, your "new" processor is just a notch faster than my AMD. So I guess I will try the demo later on.

By classic I meant silky 80's background pads with little or no modulation, like on Dennis Edward's Don't look any further, or on Dionne Warwick's Love power.

simon.a.billington · Post by **simon.a.billington** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:49 am

raymondwave wrote:
simon.a.billington wrote:As someone with an expired WUP, I logged n to check to see how much i would have to 'WUP' it in order to update.

$10 USD!! That's right folks, you read correctly!!
I briefly checked that my WUP for Element would be 24 USD or something like that, wonder what makes the difference.

Did you check the above option "I hereby confirm that I run all products on one machine at a time. " option at the top??

Waves to release Element 2 Synth