Ladder/acid/ms20/SVF 0df filters+Smooth Param Auto+Multichannel MIDI+Arp facelift in SynthMaster 2.8

[Eleventh]

I think the whole modulation workflow could use an improvement. Take for example Alchemy's modulation. Now that's a pleasure to use.

That aside, sounds like v3 will have a good chance to be the best softsynth ever.

Cheers!

[waltercruz]

I'll also try to throw in a properly modelled ADSR analog envelope (by adding a "Type parameter for ADSR envelopes with initially 2 settings: Digital (existing SM envelope), Analog (modelled after subphatty envelopes))

(and for those of you who wonder 2.8 is a FREE upgrade for existing users)

these are going to be the snappy envelopes that you mention here?

I see. I figured out the root cause: The envelope times in SM start at 6 ms. So a basic attack+decay is minimum 12 ms. NOT snappy at all

Now let's figure out a way to lower that to 1 milliseconds without breaking backwards compatibility. I guess that was the reason why I overlooked this issue so far.

Maybe a new dropdown parameter called "Envelope time" would solve the issue so we can add envelope times of different synths. I have taken a lot of measurements from different synths so now is the time to add those to SM

[masterhiggins]

Are the new filters going to have zippered automation? Or have you been able to smooth that out?

[kv331]

Are the new filters going to have zippered automation? Or have you been able to smooth that out?

That issue actually is not directly related to the filters, the filters are smooth enough. It has to do with managing parameter changes that comes from the host.

I have something in mind to sort that out for good. I mean for automated parameters, there has to be some sort of "smoothing", like we did with MIDI CC changes.

[kv331]

One thing I'd like to emphasize is, I am trying too hard to model exactly the MS20/SVF filters. But rather use those analog models and some digital "twist" so we can achieve interesting results

But we will hopefuly work on better models in "analog" version of SynthMaster in the future

[e-modic]

One thing I'd like to emphasize is, I am trying too hard to model exactly the MS20/SVF filters. But rather use those analog models and some digital "twist" so we can achieve interesting results

But we will hopefuly work on better models in "analog" version of SynthMaster in the future

Please bring them on board and just don´t call them MS20 Filters. The resonance of the MS20 is so special as it is like a Distortion unit unlike any other synths. The 0df Filters is a marketing label these days but remember when Fab Filter One came out yeeeaars before this 0dff? Noone talked about it "oh it has no 0dff". The Filter sounded great. If a developer can archieve that his synth can emulate every sound of the sounds on 'Violater' (Depeche Mode) he did a masterpiece of Soft Synth. Maybe my eyes and my hands can´t can´t handle the tiny knobs and sliders on SynthMaster - and that´s why I never bought SM - but from what I can say the demos on page one sounded great.

[chk071]

and here comes the 12db/oct MS20 LP filter, implemented with zero delay feedback topology:

http://www.synthmaster.com/synthmaster/ ... filter.wav

the same pattern is played at 5 different resonance settings. input pregain and filter drive adjusted to give this nice resonant tone.

CPU usage is pretty good, close to the 2 pole digital filter

Sounds great.

[Dasheesh]

One thing I'd like to emphasize is, I am trying too hard to model exactly the MS20/SVF filters. But rather use those analog models and some digital "twist" so we can achieve interesting results

But we will hopefuly work on better models in "analog" version of SynthMaster in the future

Please bring them on board and just don´t call them MS20 Filters. The resonance of the MS20 is so special as it is like a Distortion unit unlike any other synths. The 0df Filters is a marketing label these days but remember when Fab Filter One came out yeeeaars before this 0dff? Noone talked about it "oh it has no 0dff". The Filter sounded great. If a developer can archieve that his synth can emulate every sound of the sounds on 'Violater' (Depeche Mode) he did a masterpiece of Soft Synth. Maybe my eyes and my hands can´t can´t handle the tiny knobs and sliders on SynthMaster - and that´s why I never bought SM - but from what I can say the demos on page one sounded great.

I would actually agree with this statement. If you aren't trying to achieve an accurate ms 20 and call it that you are probably asking for grief. Just call them new analog filter types 1,2,3 whatever. It will make it easier on everyone unless you thrive on the drama. Just make what sounds good. That's all you need to worry about.

[Dasheesh]

Can't wait to get my greasy hands on these btw.

[lectrixboogaloo]

Hopefuly we'll release version 2.8 in January (NAMM show) before we dive into version 3.0

I'll also try to throw in a properly modelled ADSR analog envelope (by adding a "Type parameter for ADSR envelopes with initially 2 settings: Digital (existing SM envelope), Analog (modelled after subphatty envelopes))

(and for those of you who wonder 2.8 is a FREE upgrade for existing users)

Might not want to advertise the analog mode envelopes as subphatty emulations, surely they are digital/software, too.

They are awesome, though and can emulate analog envelopes well.

[EnGee]

and here comes the 12db/oct MS20 LP filter, implemented with zero delay feedback topology:

http://www.synthmaster.com/synthmaster/ ... filter.wav

the same pattern is played at 5 different resonance settings. input pregain and filter drive adjusted to give this nice resonant tone.

CPU usage is pretty good, close to the 2 pole digital filter

Sounds great.

Yes indeed, it sounds great
This will open so many sound design possibilities with the existing modulations and structure. Can't wait to have a go with the new filter.

But I also agree with Dasheesh that it is better to concentrate on nice results with different kinds of filters rather than concentrating on just one filter emulations 100%. IMO, this would also make Synthmaster unique and users won't bother us of pages and pages of comparison to the filter being emulated unless, of course, if that is the goal of the developer to make some noise about the new version

[kv331]

Might not want to advertise the analog mode envelopes as subphatty emulations, surely they are digital/software, too.

They are awesome, though and can emulate analog envelopes well.

Are they? I checked the Gearslutz forum on that, and someone was saying it has discrete transistor envelopes. Well even so, they're really good and helped me understand the "analog" behavior

[kv331]

I would actually agree with this statement. If you aren't trying to achieve an accurate ms 20 and call it that you are probably asking for grief. Just call them new analog filter types 1,2,3 whatever. It will make it easier on everyone unless you thrive on the drama. Just make what sounds good. That's all you need to worry about.

Exactly, that IS my point as well. Once you claim you emulating/replicating XYZ model everyone will start judging you by that, so why the hassle ?

[lectrixboogaloo]

Might not want to advertise the analog mode envelopes as subphatty emulations, surely they are digital/software, too.

They are awesome, though and can emulate analog envelopes well.

Are they? I checked the Gearslutz forum on that, and someone was saying it has discrete transistor envelopes. Well even so, they're really good and helped me understand the "analog" behavior

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/9214119-post15.html

Maybe you want to check double, but I'm pretty sure controlvoltage would know. But sure, they do analog behavior well, as far as I'm concerned.

[kv331]

OMG The new ladder filter is even a little faster (10%-20% faster) than the previous Ladder filters in SM

and no compromise on the nonlinearities either: again we have 3 different nonlinearity settings for the new filters: Basic, Normal, High