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BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:48 pm

Is there a plugin in the Melda Audio Total that can be use just for its AGC feature?
Without any other functions, used as pre and post certain Effects just for AGC?
Thank You

ericzang · Post by **ericzang** » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:36 pm

Have you already explored MCompare? Generate Source and Source aspects of it sound like what you are asking about.

ALC is similar to AGC.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:44 pm

Thank Eric, but would that work on an external signal? I mean, i know almost every Melda Plugin
has AGC but they work only internaly not if the signal is changed outside of Melda. What i mean
is to use its AGC as a tool for everything. Lets say i use IK T-Racks 76 Compressor. I want its
Volume changes to be fixed after the output of the compressor with an AGC plugin.
Isn't MCompare a nonLive Plugin? You have to Load the files inside the plugin, not in a live situation.

Thanks

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:07 pm

You can place another instance of the plugin somewhere and it can send it's signal to another.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:56 pm

jmg8 wrote:You can place another instance of the plugin somewhere and it can send it's signal to another.

Hmm...you mean something like the Analyzer does, connects to another instance...i can place probably
on instance as the last plugin on the Master Out and that's it...except i forgot how to connect the 2.

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:05 pm

Click source 1 on the first instance and then compare to source one on the second instance.

Read case 2 of the pdf for more info. Visit meldaproduction website, go to effects and then click on MCompare. To the right you will see the pdf.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:33 pm

Thanks JMG, it worked, actually its not what i needed but i discovered a very useful tool.
I was looking more in the line of a simple AGC thing, something similar to a MakeUp Gain
on a Compressor but done Automatically. This one works a little different then that.
But nevertheless it is a very useful tool, something that will get use in every project.

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:01 pm

Ah, yes I see what you mean. It changes the level of the generated source to match the monitoring source. This is ok for comparing but no good for a make up gain. What we need is for it to be the other way round. To change the monitoring source to match the level of the generated source.
I'm confused as to why this is the case because with the AGC on all the other plugins it changes the output to match the input but MCompare seems to be the other way round.

FR: Maybe could we have a switch to change this? Please.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:49 pm

I still think Melda is the only choice here...will do some more research.
Its lovely how on Melda plugins you have the AGC, you Compress or whatever
but the actual volume never changes and you do not get fooled.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:30 am

Try MAutoVolume. Set high speed, Sensitivity and Background sensitivity to 100% and send the original audio to its sidechain. That way it will basically try to match the processed audio's loudness to the original one. But you might need to mess with output gain, because it won't match, it will try to make it "above".

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:42 am

Hey Voychek, i tried but AutoVolume actually compresses the Sounds, does not act like a Gain Rider.
Unless i am missing something...it is called AutoVolume but it actually acts similar to a Compressor.

Thanks

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:52 am

It depends on the speed. In most cases people use it on vocals, so the default speed is pretty high, so that it changes the envelope indeed. It doesn't mean it's an compressor

. For your case I actually think you want high speed though, or maybe not, then just enable "ultra-low speed" and voila

.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:56 pm

Man...you have the MOST complete collection of FX that ever existed...come on make a simple AGC plugin...just Gain Rider that's it.

steve2KVR · Post by **steve2KVR** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:07 pm

...fwiw...here's how I use MAV for lead vocal "gain riding"...

1) for each track that is assigned to the 2bus I create a post/all aux send set at unity out...in essence this is the same "mix" that appears at the 2bus

2) the main vocal track will have...
-an MDynamics set for noise floor/room gating and general range compression
-an MAutoDynamicEq for removing any "nasties," etc
-an MCharater just because it's new and seems to "fix" some problems with tone, not enough experience yet to say I know how to use it...
-an MMultibandSaturator used to taste (or not)

3) create assorted vocal fx processing aux channels, verbs, slaps, etc as needed

4) ...2 and 3 are bussed to an aux sub mix bus called "Vox" with, you guessed it, MAutoVolume in the fx chain...by passed for now

I work on the entire rough mix, instruments and vocals, and when that's "in the ball park," I turn on MAV. All the MAV parameters are set to neutral/wide open. Then while the tune plays I will adjust the INPUTGAiIN until the G meter levels peak more or less equally above and below the "0" marker, compressed/expanded as needed. I then set the OUTPUTGAIN to the level I need on the "Aux23" channel to be used in the mix. Messing with the rest of parameters will get things where I need them...hth...

I've owned and used a number of the other "gainriders" out there but could never get the control and result I was looking for. bummer. cash gone. I think MAV was the first MPlug I bought after using it for awile...never looked back...

.../s~

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:47 pm

steve2KVR wrote:...fwiw...here's how I use MAV for lead vocal "gain riding"...

1) for each track that is assigned to the 2bus I create a post/all aux send set at unity out...in essence this is the same "mix" that appears at the 2bus

2) the main vocal track will have...
-an MDynamics set for noise floor/room gating and general range compression
-an MAutoDynamicEq for removing any "nasties," etc
-an MCharater just because it's new and seems to "fix" some problems with tone, not enough experience yet to say I know how to use it...
-an MMultibandSaturator used to taste (or not)

3) create assorted vocal fx processing aux channels, verbs, slaps, etc as needed

4) ...2 and 3 are bussed to an aux sub mix bus called "Vox" with, you guessed it, MAutoVolume in the fx chain...by passed for now

I work on the entire rough mix, instruments and vocals, and when that's "in the ball park," I turn on MAV. All the MAV parameters are set to neutral/wide open. Then while the tune plays I will adjust the INPUTGAiIN until the G meter levels peak more or less equally above and below the "0" marker, compressed/expanded as needed. I then set the OUTPUTGAIN to the level I need on the "Aux23" channel to be used in the mix. Messing with the rest of parameters will get things where I need them...hth...

I've owned and used a number of the other "gainriders" out there but could never get the control and result I was looking for. bummer. cash gone. I think MAV was the first MPlug I bought after using it for awile...never looked back....../s~

We are talking about a simple automatic gain compensation or make up gain.
Thanks for sharing how you use MAutoGain though, some good tips.

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