Sylenth1 cannot be run on a virtual machine (fixed)

[koalaboy]

After having some thoughts about the issue, we decided not to change this. There is a reason why Sylenth1 will not work when Virtualization is enabled on a computer, caused by the copy protection. Most users will not be needing virtualization anyway, and whatever we do, unfortunately we can not make everyone happy.

Another option would be using a hardware dongle, but that would force all our customers to use one. Most of them will prefer to disable virtualization instead, which 99% of them aren't using anyway (actually if you don't use virtualization, it's recommended to disable it either way for security reasons, which is also why it is mostly disabled by hardware default).

I hope you understand and I'm sorry if this causes discomfort for you.

This means I will not upgrade, or buy any future LennarDigital products, which is a shame as Sylenth1 is one of my favourites.

As a PC user, not confining my PC to a single purpose (music), I often use virtualisation - it's part of the modern world - and will not be disabling it just to satisfy a single DRM solution.

Whilst you obviously choose how you conduct your business and produce software, this is very disappointing.
It is certainly not an attitude that would work in the larger world of software.

[Nielzie]

Hmm but somehow Sylenth1 v3's C/R system has this problem where other systems do not seem to have it. Please take some time to investigate, might very well be worth the investment in the long run

This has nothing to do with the C/R system. It's also not a bug, it was done intentionally.

Could you please explain then why this was done intentionally?

If someone with a license would use it within a virtual "machine" on the same physical machine (no idea for what reason, but anyway), I guess that shouldn't be a problem because the virtual machine runs on the same physical machine it was licensed on.

[Lennard]

Could you please explain then why this was done intentionally?

To prevent it from being cracked.

[koalaboy]

Could you please explain then why this was done intentionally?

To prevent it from being cracked.

[xx JPRacer xx]

I always run a fedora and windows server + 10-20 windows and linux hosts in virtualbox while I make music [/sarcasm]

Seriously, 1st you can run 32-bit virtual machines without vt-x support enable and second, why would you run virtual machines that take valuable resources while you make music? If you need a server get a computer just for that. And last, it takes only a couple of seconds to do a reboot and enable cpu vt-x extension if you really need it.

I prefer this kind of c-p than a hardware dongle any time of the day.

[2ZrgE]

... And last, it takes only a couple of seconds to do a reboot and enable cpu vt-x extension if you really need it.

...

You must be kidding.

[koalaboy]

I prefer this kind of c-p than a hardware dongle any time of the day.

But it *is* a hardware dongle - it requires your PC (hardware) to be configured in a certain way. You may not mind rebooting - I switch my PC on once a day, and change between tasks without having to reboot constantly.

It's just an additional requirement in the name of DRM, that won't actually stop the problem it intends to but will make it more intrusive for paying customers.

I have no problem with iLok/elicenser etc. I own UAD cards. *None* of them require me to alter my PC in ways that affect other software (and the second they do, they're gone).

But that's fine. It's Lennard's software, and I respect that. I just won't be using it any more.

[xx JPRacer xx]

it requires your PC (hardware) to be configured in a certain way.

Yes, the default way. By default the cpu vt-x extensions are disabled. And like I said in my previous posts, are not needed to run virtual machines anyway.

And I would bet that 98% of Sylenth users are not affected by this.

[chk071]

Is it shitstorm time on KVR lately? Can't believe the overreactions here... especially as there's workarounds, if only you would WANT to try.

[2ZrgE]

Well I have some serious crashes when testing Sylenth v3 (when inserting Live 9 crashes without even a crash notice) - I really hope that is has nothing to do with the new protection scheme.

[Lennard]

Well I have some serious crashes when testing Sylenth v3 (when inserting Live 9 crashes without even a crash notice) - I really hope that is has nothing to do with the new protection scheme.

Don't think so, please let us know what software (OS and host version) you are using exactly and describe the steps to take to reproduce this problem.

[Nielzie]

I always run a fedora and windows server + 10-20 windows and linux hosts in virtualbox while I make music [/sarcasm]

Seriously, 1st you can run 32-bit virtual machines without vt-x support enable and second, why would you run virtual machines that take valuable resources while you make music? If you need a server get a computer just for that. And last, it takes only a couple of seconds to do a reboot and enable cpu vt-x extension if you really need it.

I prefer this kind of c-p than a hardware dongle any time of the day.

What's next? You need to disable windows defender or remote desktop or whatever to make a simple vst plugin work on your desktop pc? As long as not too many users are using those services on their pc that they use for different tasks (hobbiests->loosers), it should not be a problem. Because if just a few percent of the users are f**ked, who cares?

[xx JPRacer xx]

Windows Defender is already disabled on my system... What I said mainly is even if you need to run virtual machines, you don't need the cpu extensions to be enable anyway. That's why it is disable by default and also it could be a security hole when enable. I prefer a DRM that piss-off 0.5% of users than 50% (dongle).

[chk071]

It's funny. Do a copy protection which requires an internet connection, people will complain that their DAW isn't on the net. Do a C/R copy protection, people will complain that they fear they will be left with a defunctional software in case the company goes bust. Do a dongle protection, people will tell you to stick that USB thing where the sun doesn't shine. And when you had a copy protection which wasn't strong enough so that copies of your software floods the net, then that's marketing strategy. (all that in internet forums of course, not talking about the vast majority of users which don't complain on the internet) I would say the people who need Intel virtualization (already restricted to Intel computers only), to run virtual machines on their DAW computers are probably in the low percentage, or 0.x percentage amount. Either way, whatever you do, you will piss a few people off. But what would majorly piss every customer off is when the company has to go out of business because of warez, that's a point which is really worth considering IMO.

Anyway, not a lawyer of the company or anything, but i felt the need to mention that anyway. Because i also feel it's pretty annoying how much crying about any form of copy protection there always is here or elsewhere.

[xx JPRacer xx]

Sure, any form of c-p and DRM are BS and annoying and limit the paying customers... It's really about trying to find a balance between pissing-off the customers and protecting the products and the future of the company. I'm not a fan of this but understand why it's needed.