Idiot.ariston wrote:Fanboi.chk071 wrote:The shop isn't in the plugin, it's merely a link. Basically the same as if you click on the company logo in other plugins, and get linked to the company's site. Or when you click register, and it takes you to the registering site. And yes, of course they want to make money, and are no charity organisation, and that's why they have that button in their plugins. You don't have to click it anyway.
Poor retort, fanboi.chk071 wrote:Idiot.ariston wrote:Fanboi.chk071 wrote:The shop isn't in the plugin, it's merely a link. Basically the same as if you click on the company logo in other plugins, and get linked to the company's site. Or when you click register, and it takes you to the registering site. And yes, of course they want to make money, and are no charity organisation, and that's why they have that button in their plugins. You don't have to click it anyway.
Are we done now?
Only if Sigue Sigue Sputnik deliver the filtersariston wrote:reinventing synthesis for the 23rd century.
you can do this... _but_ while you can do almost anything with a table, there are many things that are impractical or inefficient.recursive one wrote:
Seems that I've expalined it badly. I don't want to completely ditch B and C, I may want to go to these points after I've gone from A directly to D. I've meant a theoretical wavetable design, where you can morph each wavefrom directly into each other waveform contained in the wavetable, and not just into the two adjacent ones.
Not that I badly need this feature (however there were some actual suggestions about possible uses for such design in this thread), I just tried to figure out some alternatives to basic wavetable implementation, like in Dune 2, in odrer to understand what this "3D wavetable" thing may theroretically mean.
Moi?ariston wrote:Your constant harping on "U-He fanbois" has been getting on my nerves since 1976.
Not you, sorry! Your post got in the way.Numanoid wrote:Moi?ariston wrote:Your constant harping on "U-He fanbois" has been getting on my nerves since 1976.
I kind of like u-he plugs y'know
and also Tone2 plugs
OK I thought it was something like a built in browser to buy patches or IK custom shop thing or the Marketplace tab in Tracktion. Not keen on such things, a link isn't so bad I suppose although I'd still prefer it to be more discrete (what's wrong with just clicking on their logo?).chk071 wrote:The shop isn't in the plugin, it's merely a link. Basically the same as if you click on the company logo in other plugins, and get linked to the company's site. Or when you click register, and it takes you to the registering site. And yes, of course they want to make money, and are no charity organisation, and that's why they have that button in their plugins. You don't have to click it anyway.
Well, sorry for calling you an idiot too, not my style usually. I will refrain from calling people out from now on, i can see that this can be taken as some kind of moral policing, or playing the moral instance, or whatever. What i don't refrain from though is that i think it's wrong that, like in this thread again, from page 1, people rant about the marketing, or people take offense with shop links in the plugin (well fair enough if aMUSEd didn't know that it actually isn't a built in shop, but only a link to the shop, at least that's how it is in Electra2), and in the end, 50% off the thread is filled with non-relevance rather than relevant info like it should be. And i don't think it's cool either that some companies get all the shit, just because they aren't do-gooders, or act like non-profit organisations who run their business like a charity organisation. And it is still my belief that anyone claiming that company would consist of greedy bastards who only see their own profit should really think about what it means to run a business, and ask themselves if they wouldn't do the exact same, if it was their business, and they would want to stay alive and in the business (apart from the fact that there isn't a multinational fat greedy bastard corporation in this business anyway). See, if you don't like it, why the interest then, and why do you even shove money up their fat greedy a**es again and again. I wouldn't want to do that really. But i don't think that Tone2 are fat, greedy bastards anyway, so...ariston wrote:Not you, sorry! Your post got in the way.Numanoid wrote:Moi?ariston wrote:Your constant harping on "U-He fanbois" has been getting on my nerves since 1976.
I kind of like u-he plugs y'know
and also Tone2 plugs
Anyway, sorry for derailing, I'm in a bad mood.
Yeah, most wavetables are linear (1D) you can move from A -> B -> C -> D or reverse and or any portion.recursive one wrote:Seems that I've expalined it badly. I don't want to completely ditch B and C, I may want to go to these points after I've gone from A directly to D. I've meant a theoretical wavetable design, where you can morph each wavefrom directly into each other waveform contained in the wavetable, and not just into the two adjacent ones.chroma wrote:if this is what you want to do, the standard way is to, you know, build a new wavetable where A is next to D. usually, from the ones I've seen, you actually drop e.g. A at entry 0, and D at entry 10, and it will create the intermediate wavetables for you.recursive one wrote:How?
I mean, morphing from A directly to D skipping B and C
some wavetable synths let you put A at e.g. 0, and D at 1, and you can smoothly morph between them, i.e. put a wave offset at, say, 0.7 and you'll get a crossfade in between. but that's not traditionally how they work... you're at A, or you're at D, and if you want something in the middle, you do that yourself, precisely because part of the point of wavetables is to define what 'between A and D' actually means...
Not that I badly need this feature (however there were some actual suggestions about possible uses for such design in this thread), I just tried to figure out some alternatives to basic wavetable implementation, like in Dune 2, in odrer to understand what this "3D wavetable" thing may theroretically mean.
The difficulty in this case is that we know almost nothing about the synth so there is very little to talk about...chk071 wrote:Frankly, i would love to see a thread where we can discuss about a new Tone2 plugin in the way people can talk about a new u-he plugin. You know, without all that irrelevant political trash. Just about the technicality. I felt like the thread was on a good way to that, after the first and 2nd page stuff about the marketing, which hasn't even been marketing yet even, except for that "best wavetable synth" stuff or something.
Indeed, "each wavetable into each another one" feels like overkill, but having more than one WT position control could be doable and practical. Let's say we have three of them, each having it's own independent direction (X, Y and Z - and this makes 3Dchroma wrote:you can do this... _but_ while you can do almost anything with a table, there are many things that are impractical or inefficient.recursive one wrote:
Seems that I've expalined it badly. I don't want to completely ditch B and C, I may want to go to these points after I've gone from A directly to D. I've meant a theoretical wavetable design, where you can morph each wavefrom directly into each other waveform contained in the wavetable, and not just into the two adjacent ones.
Not that I badly need this feature (however there were some actual suggestions about possible uses for such design in this thread), I just tried to figure out some alternatives to basic wavetable implementation, like in Dune 2, in odrer to understand what this "3D wavetable" thing may theroretically mean.
how many times has someone gotten a new synth, and they throw a basic waveform through it and tweak the filter cutoff/resonance knobs as the first thing? the filter cutoff is a simple control that has a large effect on the sound; resonance less so but still a lot; everyone knows what they do, the effect is immediate and known. the whole point of wavetables, to me, is to make complex timbral morphing as simple as that, a single knob you twist and 'cool things happen'. not micro-edited brain surgery (*).
a standard wavetable has just a single control, wavetable offset. what you're talking about would complicate the modifier considerably; instead of being a single knob, it would be a list of chains of what wavetable is next. that's kind of like the wavestation as I understand it (haven't used it much) but everyone says that was a royal pain without a GUI, and with a GUI it's more creating a wavetable (assembling waves together) anyways.
more dimensions = more degrees of freedom (so not just cutoff, but resonance too) and also more work to create the wavetable in the first place.
(*) though, of course, someone has to do the brain surgery to create the wavetable in the first place... that's part of the art of wavetable design. it's not all that different from the work required to e.g. create a great drum library.... someone spends hours layering samples, including round-robins, scripting, etc. and that lets you ignore all that, abstract it away, and just focus on the velocity changes in your pattern to get your hi-hats grooving properly. some people do both ends of course...
), so it is possible to morph a waveform into each of six "adjacent" ones (as opposed to two). This could make the WT oscillators sound very alive and playable, or be a good playground for making extremely crazy modulated drone sounds but still should be easy enough for a regular user to master.Submit: News, Plugins, Hosts & Apps | Advertise @ KVR | Developer Account | About KVR / Contact Us | Privacy Statement
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