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chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:51 pm

Wondering how much it will cost. If it's 99 €, then it will be well worth considering for me. If not, then.... not so much.

Feature wise and GUI wise, it looks very interesting, and i'm also happy that it seems to be more of a "regular" feature set, then all that HCM, IMS, what not exotic, allegedly new thing kind of synthesis'. No layer architecture, which is also a plus in my book.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:57 pm

edited. nvm

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:04 pm

chk071 wrote:Wondering how much it will cost. If it's 99 €, then it will be well worth considering for me. If not, then.... not so much. Feature wise and GUI wise, it looks very interesting, and i'm also happy that it seems to be more of a "regular" feature set, then all that HCM, IMS, what not exotic, allegedly new thing kind of synthesis'. No layer architecture, which is also a plus in my book.

Going by the price of Tone 2 synths and what this brings to the table, I'm going to guess it won't be any less than $189. At the outright most outrageous minimum, maybe $169. But 99 Euro? In your dreams. Never going to happen.

Tone 2's stuff is about 10 to 20% overpriced compared to comparative synths. That's probably the main reason I won't be getting anymore of their synths other than the two I already own.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:09 pm

Yeah, you're right, 99 € is probably illusionary, only Saurus costs that much, and it's a pretty limited synth. We'll see.

db3 · Post by **db3** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:10 pm

Ingonator wrote:While some features are inspired by the TI overall Icarus is not really a dedicated and/or proper Virus TI emulation. One difference besides others is that in Icarus the "Hypersaw" feature works for all waveforms, not just with a Sawtooth. The real TI Hypersaw opposing to the "HyperStereo" mode in Icarus also did not have additional stereo width included. While for "usual" VA stuff the TI is maybe better than Icarus (while Icarus could be quite good there) concerning Hypersaw and wavetable stuff Icarus seems to be more advanced.

Thanks that paints a decent picture.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:16 pm

edited. nvm

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:28 pm

With "regular" i meant a feature set common to similar wavetable synths, like Nave, Largo, Serum and such.Synths like Electra2, Gladiator or Rayblaster always struck me as a bit "unusual", and have features, or a workflow which are a bit different to comparably synths. Icarus looks more "standard" which is good IMO, because i find that reinventing the wheel every time can lead to confusion, and reduced ease of use or comfort.

Mac of BIOnighT · Post by **Mac of BIOnighT** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:33 pm

chk071 wrote:only Saurus costs that much, and it's a pretty limited synth.

It depends on what you need to do... https://soundcloud.com/macnight/tone2s- ... quick-test
No "press-just-one-key-and-impress-your-non-musician-friends" sounds in Saurus2, of course, but for the genres it can be used for, it's not exactly limited...

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:35 pm

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:39 pm

Mac of BIOnighT wrote:
chk071 wrote:only Saurus costs that much, and it's a pretty limited synth.
It depends on what you need to do... https://soundcloud.com/macnight/tone2s- ... quick-test
No "press-just-one-key-and-impress-your-non-musician-friends" sounds in Saurus2, of course, but for the genres it can be used for, it's not exactly limited...

Nice.

I've been listening to another nice sound demo yesterday on Youtube too, because someone mentioned Saurus here, and also downloaded the demo. Sounds good definitely. It's just that i have many other synths doing the same kind of thing, so i'm doubtful it would bring much new on the table. But surely a good choice if you want a VA bread and butter synth.

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:34 pm

Ingonator wrote: The new wavetable format of the Galbanum 2010 waveforms collection is available in that format (WAV, 32-bit, 2048 samples per wave) too.

and indeed I have some relationship with Tone2. They are great guys.

Not sure if I am allowed to say more, so I will just say they have licensed some waveforms from me for pasts synths, and I like to continue existing relationships whenever possible.

Hopefully we can load additional wavetables into Icarus as well after the release.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:53 am

edited. nvm

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:43 pm

Ingonator wrote: Someone mentioned Icarus seems to have a "basic" feature set but as i alraedy mentiond earlier i could not really agree with that while therecould to be different definitions of what "basic" means in this context.

If you mean me, i never used the term "basic", i used the terms "standard" and "regular", and i stick with that. What i meant with it is that there's not exotic jiggery-pokery like HCM or IMS synthesis, but rather classic wavetable synthesis here. Which is a big plus in my book, because frankly, other Tone2 synths do a lot of stuff in a non-standard way, which to me often feels cumbersome and tedious (best example for me is Electra2, where they implemented lots of things in version 2 to make up for the usability niggles in version 1. Also Firebird's approach feels pretty weird, when you can do all that in a more classic way, e.g. have real unison instead of just (limited) unison waveforms). I think there's simpl a misunderstanding, i like when things are beign offered in classic, standard way. I don't like "innovative" ideas which affect usability and make things more complicated than they should be, which i feel is the case with some of Tone2's synths.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:55 pm

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:49 pm

wagtunes wrote:Know what boggles my mind?

1) The number of people who get pissed off because of sales hype.

2) The number of people who get taken in because of sales hype.

I buy a synth if I like the way it sounds or can make a buck selling patch libraries from it. Hype plays no part in that equation unless I see the synth is selling like hot cakes. And since I have no access to sales figures, at best I can just guess at that.

But man, the stuff people get all bent out of shape about.

I'm in the "pissed off" camp. (As if that needed to be said.

) Not only does their marketing rub me the wrong way, but it's anti-productive to their cause. I wanted Electra 2 for a while but I was kind of mad that features promised and never delivered in Gladiator ended up in Electra. When there was a discount plus a 2 for one deal, I figured I'd go for it anyway, but there wasn't anything on offer that I really wanted. I decided to get Nemesis. To my pleasant surprise, it was a lot different sounding than their super-techno-hype-o-rama demos suggested it was and I really ended up liking it a lot. Maybe that's the biggest segment of the market, but I can't help but think if they broadened their approach and softened their hard-sell a bit they'd actually get more traction.

Tone2 will release Icarus - 3D WaveTable Synthesizer